Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Apparently video of the "laundry fire" on the ford class. I have not seen this posted here.

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Immortals said:
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what they been doing last 25 years ...!!!!! ... need more land confiscate more land for zionist new housing scheme ....
 
Master Chief said:
Master Chief said:
You misunderstand. Iran would not destroy GCC infrastructure in order to benefit Israelis, rather it would do this to harm American interests and American base security in the GCC. USA is their enemy and they will undoubtedly seek to disrupt American functionality in the countries that they are concentrating their forces in. It really is that simple.
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USA can easily relocate to Israel, Turkey,Azerbaijan & Armenia.. But whose gonna suffer if Qatar/Saudi Infra gets destroyed? Israelis? Americans? Israeli or American Militaries? American/Israeli business interests?

This line of thought was oki'sh at the start of conflict that inflicting pain on Qatar/Saudi would deter USA, not now as you can see it didn't deter USA/Israel then, It wont deter them now. It will only invite Qatar/Saudi to invade Iran and help USA/ISRAEL avoid putting their boots on ground. Ultimately benefitting Israel/USA. Whose the winner in the end? Israel once again.
 
Kyussis said:
How do you know the extent of damage caused by Missiles when strict censorship is in place. IRGC aerospace forces have shown the resiliency to maintain attacks on the enemy for 40 days straight under some of the heaviest bombardments in history. IRIAF unfortunately does not have the same capability.
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The IRIAF fighter jets were sent in literal Hollywood suicide missions against regional targets and modern AD and they were successful for some of them

Fighter jets loaded with precision bombs will always cause more damage and deaths than ballistic missiles with 100-200m CEP and a 500kg warhead, this is simple logic and mathematics
 
Haz said:
Who hasn't seen it? You think we are unaware of Israelis expansion plans? Ofcourse we know, we're not stupid or blind.

That still doesn't mean we need to put up with generations of torture and terror against us by our very own government targeting us the entire time regardless. What's the solution, just put up with all the torture and rape for another hundred years? Or what? Would you do that if that was you and your family and loved ones? Do you really not know the crimes that his regimes continuously committed against Muslims in Syria all this time?

And do you really think Assad lifted a fucking finger against Israel? You think he was about to defeat them all the sudden and we should've just waited it out another year or two and then had our revolution afterwards once he somehow magically destroyed them? Did you not know the regime has been in power for over 50 years and has never lifted a finger against them? They occupied the Golan Heights the entire time, and not a single time did they even try to get it back or fight them.

What is this nonsense?
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I am really sorry that i hurt your feelings i never meant to! we all are Muslims - ruled by those who do not deserve to be ruling us.

That was central Idea of my post!

that's the politest way i can close the argument and part ways. please i you wish kindly ignore my post i shall be grateful.
 
Ali_Baba said:
The better question is, what has the "Government of Lebanon" done to prepare for this possibility ?
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They were under the wings of KSA and still ....

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Master Chief said:
This is exactly the calculus we now face. I hope Iran has been entrenching their positions. But the power grid is always going to be most vulnerable.
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The demonstration is only needed once to prove a point. US had evacuated bases as a precautionary measure to avoid huge casualty count. But Iranian capability wasn't truly appreciated. Any war that starts now will immediately become a high casualty event... and all it needs is a taboo topic break and the it becomes a fixture. There are really no work arounds and the nature of geography is such that all everything will be exposed... which means any concentrations... depots, supply routes... airfields and strips... while keeping the carriers at a safe distance.
The table if even more skewed if you put things in context... as US has been at it for decades... and Iran had it's first go in decades... again defensive but you get to understand the true utility after the fact... that trial by fire will only improve the remaining force... tried and true will keep running numbers to draw new lessons while trying to forget existing. Orange is putting a cheeto face on while burning America.
 
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tsunset said:
The IRIAF fighter jets were sent in literal Hollywood suicide missions against regional targets and modern AD and they were successful for some of them

Fighter jets loaded with precision bombs will always cause more damage and deaths than ballistic missiles with 100-200m CEP and a 500kg warhead, this is simple logic and mathematics
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The IRIAF had to stop ground attack missions after the first day because of loses meaning that If Iran had only air power to rely on, Iran would have been defeated right at the start of the war. If you look at the Satellite images from U.S airbases in the Persian Gulf released from the current war, you will see that the missile were very accurate. Nowhere near your 100-200m CEP claim. I love the IRIAF and i don't mean to belittle their heroic contribution and sacrifices but the truth is that they never had chance to strike any targets in Israel.
 
Master Chief said:
This is exactly the calculus we now face. I hope Iran has been entrenching their positions. But the power grid is always going to be most vulnerable.
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Also the main negotiators Galibaf, Araghchi and military commanders should be on high alert both night and day times staying inside tunnel networks until things cool down which would take some time. Also there can be a morning attack just like before when night passes(isreal or usa can do it) and officials would feel safe and go to offices in the morning. So same mistake should not be repeated the second time.

It was shown that safe houses dont work. Multiple times intel is obtained about those places and Iranian high value officials were assasinated. Main well known bunkers also dont work against bunker busters unless it is a mountain base. Tunnel networks connecting to small bunkers even not very deep would work way better like in Gaza than a deep bunker with visible entries for arranging meetings.

Iran can buy mobile power generators from China like Ukraine bought from Europe after Russia attacked its power grid.
 
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Trump Goons Caught Covering Up Massive War Damage

Billions in damage to U.S. bases have been inflicted by Iran, a report claims.
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5 billion dollars worth of damage iof military hardware and the bases themselves what they can calculate from things they can find out than add in Arab military equipment and than Israel’s own bases I think the war wasn’t as one sided as they want to make it out to be but damn Iran definitely needed an advanced capable Air Force to fend off atty that f 5 must have been flying very low
@Immortals
 
Kyussis said:
The IRIAF had to stop ground attack missions after the first day because of loses meaning that If Iran had only air power to rely on, Iran would have been defeated right at the start of the war. If you look at the Satellite images from U.S airbases in the Persian Gulf released from the current war, you will see that the missile were very accurate. Nowhere near your 100-200m CEP claim. I love the IRIAF and i don't mean to belittle their heroic contribution and sacrifices but the truth is that they never had chance to strike any targets in Israel.
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I'm not saying that Iran should have only relied on a supposed upgraded IRIAF for the whole war, I'm also talking about the US and PGCC, not Israel

A combination of IRIAF and IRGCAF would have been devastating for the US and their regional proxies

The SRBMs are accurate, but holds limited ordnance and deals limited destruction compared to what a Su-24 can carry

I'm not saying that Iran should have acquired fancy jets like J-10C or Su-35, only that if Iran protected the already possessed fighters better, and had more of them, it could have dealt monstrous damage in coordination with missiles

I'm pretty sure that if Iran bought the Tu-22Ms in 1990, they could have landed huge shots on UAE for example, even against their air defenses, if Su-24 and F-5s got through, Tu-22 would have gotten through also
 
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