Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
It is until it isn't!
Nature works in mysterious ways.
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Nature might indeed work that way, but Iran's isolation is geopolitical, not natural.

And as you admit, Iran indeed is isolated for now, until geopolitical imperatives make a change, since nothing is permanent in the geopolitical world, only national interests.

(Using childish names is only for the young and foolish, or B-class larval minds, BTW.)
 
RescueRanger said:
Perhaps.
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One would hope that the current regional conflict does not spill over into a wider area. For that to happen, much else has to go awry first.

Of course, war remains unpredictable, but perhaps some here with those magical crystal balls can tell us what will happen in this regard?
 
Watandar said:
The blockade hurts the US just as much and is an example of Trump's stupidity. Gas prices were why he was so eager to sign some sort of ceasefire with Iran. Read the below article.
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You're kidding? You're treating two very different situations as equal. Yes, Americans are feeling the pinch at the gas pump, but that's a temporary headache compared to the crushing blow this blockade deals to Iran's economy. The article points out that the U.S. is taking a hit, but comparing annoying inflation to completely choking off a country's main source of income misses the bigger picture entirely.

When you look at the details, the financial impacts just aren't comparable. The U.S. is dealing with expensive diesel and some dips in the stock market, whereas Iran is being starved of billions in vital national revenue. On top of that, the blockade scores a massive, long-term strategic win for the U.S. By breaking Iran's grip on the Strait of Hormuz, it forces Gulf nations to find new shipping routes, which permanently destroys our leverage in the region.

Finally, the idea that the administration was desperate for a ceasefire just to fix gas prices doesn't make sense given what actually happened. They deliberately chose to restart the blockade knowing full well what it would do to the markets. They clearly decided that stomaching some domestic inflation was a price worth paying to achieve their larger foreign policy goals.
 
VCheng said:
Nature might indeed work that way, but Iran's isolation is geopolitical, not natural.

And as you admit, Iran indeed is isolated for now, until geopolitical imperatives make a change, since nothing is permanent in the geopolitical world, only national interests.

(Using childish names is only for the young and foolish, or B-class larval minds, BTW.)
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Ok, I choose young...
Nothing else to be bothered bit...
You have kept this avatar for a fair bit... probably created some affinity to it...
Nuff said
 
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RzA said:
No worries, we'll lobby a few missiles and drones at some insignificant target and call it a day.
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RzA said:
You're kidding? You're treating two very different situations as equal. Yes, Americans are feeling the pinch at the gas pump, but that's a temporary headache compared to the crushing blow this blockade deals to Iran's economy. The article points out that the U.S. is taking a hit, but comparing annoying inflation to completely choking off a country's main source of income misses the bigger picture entirely.
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It is a lot more than just a pinch at the gas pump. It also means higher grocery prices and more expensive debt. It means greater political peril in the upcoming elections due to an un-popular and un-necessary war. Finally the specter of a physical shortage of fuel causing major disruptions is getting closer and closer.

The first blockade didn't "crush" Iran's economy and this one won't either. It is yet another mis-calculation by Trump and his team of bozos.
RzA said:
When you look at the details, the financial impacts just aren't comparable. The U.S. is dealing with expensive diesel and some dips in the stock market, whereas Iran is being starved of billions in vital national revenue. On top of that, the blockade scores a massive, long-term strategic win for the U.S. By breaking Iran's grip on the Strait of Hormuz, it forces Gulf nations to find new shipping routes, which permanently destroys our leverage in the region.
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New routes or arrangements won't be available for years and will have their own vulnerabilities. The Hormuz card derailed the entire US war plan and changed its focus to getting ships with oil out of the Strait, something the US is still failing at. Yes the Hormuz card won't be available in future conflicts.
RzA said:
Finally, the idea that the administration was desperate for a ceasefire just to fix gas prices doesn't make sense given what actually happened. They deliberately chose to restart the blockade knowing full well what it would do to the markets. They clearly decided that stomaching some domestic inflation was a price worth paying to achieve their larger foreign policy goals.
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This is the Trump team of morons, not the George HW Bush team that handled the 1991 Gulf War. Not a single objective of this war Trump outlined in the beginning has been achieved from 4 1/2 months of bombing bombing and more bombing.

You are of course entitled to your point of view.
 
RescueRanger said:
@VCheng and @Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ

Sirs,

Both of you are senior members, chaddo and mitti pao. Agree to disagree and move on.

God bless.
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Of course. I am not the one using childish names in my responses, Sir.

I accept that it is not my responsibility to change anyone's views, for it is the equal right of everyone to think as they wish.

Facts remain as they are.

Back to my point related to this particular exchange, Iran does remain isolated geopolitically, and it is harming its chances of success in this war by virtue of that fact alone.

There is no avoiding that reality, Sir.
 
VCheng said:
Of course. I am not the one using childish names in my responses, Sir.

I accept that it is not my responsibility to change anyone's views, for it is the equal right of everyone to think as they wish.

Facts remain as they are.

Back to my point related to this particular exchange, Iran does remain isolated geopolitically, and it is harming its chances of success in this war by virtue of that fact alone.

There is no avoiding that reality, Sir.
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Fair enough.
 
Meengla said:
Watch the Alex Krainer video I posted just above and watch only half hour of it and then sell any bridge or river or yacht to him as I was merely giving a gist of his video.

But my understanding of Alex is thus: The Western influence in the region is based on a historic protection pledge to the rich Arab countries and by now, as Alex says, the regional countries, with the exception of perhaps MBZ of UAE, have realized that it was a false protection promise and they are thinking of getting out of the old order but slowly, so as to not jeopardize their 5 $ trillion. And that is a practical route forward.
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The question is why did these ignorant arab leaders stationed 5$ trillion of their money in west in the first ? Have they not seen countless countries getting sanctioned to hell and their reserves confiscated in western countries on whims of some idiotic barbaric western leader for the past 5 decades or so.
 
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With the propeller intact, more probably an engine breakdown then a crash instead of the result of a SAM or anti air artillery.
 
This would be a good card to play but I am not sure the Houthis have the capacity for it. They are in need of a full rebuild first from their tussle with the US over the Gaza war. Houthis also have their own domestic and foreign policy calculations.

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