Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ToddE]

The Shah had his shortcomings, but he had a real vision. He wasn’t trying to summon the Mahdi and solve a water crisis with a rain dance.

Shah was nationalist but naive to the core unlike his father. Spoiled prince after all while Daddy Pahlavi was tough n self made. Had Shah been clever he could have cracked down harder on Islamo-Marxists. He would have seen what these foriegn funded "revolutionaries" will do to his nation that oneday Iranian blood will become so cheap that rulers of Iran will be saying Iran means nothing while Iranians were being crushed under rubble.

Majority Ayatollahs and their pets in IRGC are corrupt mafia men. Shamkhani's daughter was showing half breasts in his presence few days ago, now Yahya Rahim Safavi's daughter is caught living Harom Life in Austrailia. Some may be actually stupid like you are saying which is even more sad but majority is just putting on an act.

 

[Shafagh]

Shah was nationalist but naive to the core unlike his father. Spoiled prince after all while Daddy Pahlavi was tough n self made. Had Shah been clever he could have cracked down harder on Islamo-Marxists. He would have seen what these foriegn funded "revolutionaries" will do to his nation that oneday Iranian blood will become so cheap that rulers of Iran will be saying Iran means nothing while Iranians were being crushed under rubble.

Majority Ayatollahs and their pets in IRGC are corrupt mafia men. Shamkhani's daughter was showing half breasts in his presence few days ago, now Yahya Rahim Safavi's daughter is caught living Harom Life in Austrailia. Some may be actually stupid like you are saying which is even more sad but majority is just putting on an act.

They are all hypocrits. And yet people on here will post laughing emojis to such posts, but not actually refute them.

Tired of suckers, incompetents, and traitors ruining the country.

 

[Shafagh]

These guys need to be arrested and sent to prison for a long time. Disclosing such footage is essentially treason.

How stupid can people be.

 

[ToddE]

They are all hypocrits. And yet people on here will post laughing emojis to such posts, but not actually refute them.

Tired of suckers, incompetents, and traitors ruining the country.

This is a mentally sick Low IQ cultist crowd that Ayatollahs have given birth to, to serve them like loyal pets. Their hidden sexual fetish is Iranian blood being spilled. Do a little test and you will see yourself how these low IQ cultists start laughing as soon as Iranian killings or deaths are mentioned.

 

[Musings]

I suggest sticking to the topic - stop the rants or people will get banned

 

[Kyussis]

They are all hypocrits. And yet people on here will post laughing emojis to such posts, but not actually refute them.

Tired of suckers, incompetents, and traitors ruining the country.

What do you call your "Shahan shah" who fled Iran with Suitcases full of cash?

 

[BigMela2onin]

Had Shah been clever he could have cracked down harder on Islamo-Marxists.

He was torturing and shooting people in the streets, how much "harder" did you want him to to go? All the Pahlavis are failures, both got overthrown or invaded because they weren't good at managing foreign or domestic policy - IR is just more of the same, and if Iran survives, whatever comes after IR will be the same.

 

[ToddE]

He was torturing and shooting people in the streets, how much "harder" did you want him to to go? All the Pahlavis are failures, both got overthrown or invaded because they weren't good at managing foreign or domestic policy - IR is just more of the same, and if Iran survives, whatever comes after IR will be the same.

Moderator Edit. Shooting some rando stupid Islamist, Marxist students meant nothing. Mohammad Reza Shah's cowardice allowed birth of failure system of IRI. American National security advisor Brzezinski under President Jimmy Carter said the same thing that Shah’s “indecision and weakness” enabled the revolutionaries (combo of Islamists+Marxists). He literally saidd in his memoir “The Shah lost his nerve he did not crack down when he still had the power to do so.”

And Shahi Iran and IRI are same ? ROFL. Shahi Iran at one point was worlds fastest rising economies, 14th largest GDP at its peak (IRI currently stands in 40s) with worlds 5th most armed to teeth powerful military. I am no Shahi lover, just stating numerical facts.

 

[Kyussis]

Not a single key figure of revolution was harmed. Shooting some rando stupid Islamist, Marxist students meant nothing. Reza Shah's cowardice allowed birth of failure system of IRI. American National security advisor Brzezinski under President Jimmy Carter said the same thing that Shah’s “indecision and weakness” enabled the revolutionaries (combo of Islamists+Marxists). He literally saidd in his memoir “The Shah lost his nerve he did not crack down when he still had the power to do so.”

And Shahi Iran and IRI are same ? ROFL. Shahi Iran at one point was worlds fastest rising economies, 14th largest GDP at its peak (IRI currently stands in 40s) with worlds 5th most armed to teeth powerful military. I am no Shahi lover, just stating numerical facts.

So sorry your U.S installed retarded dictator didn't have the Balls to kill even more Iranians instead of running away with tens of Billions!!!

 

[BigMela2onin]

Not a single key figure of revolution was harmed. Shooting some rando stupid Islamist, Marxist students meant nothing. Reza Shah's cowardice allowed birth of failure system of IRI. American National security advisor Brzezinski under President Jimmy Carter said the same thing that Shah’s “indecision and weakness” enabled the revolutionaries (combo of Islamists+Marxists). He literally saidd in his memoir “The Shah lost his nerve he did not crack down when he still had the power to do so.”

If your argument is that the Shah should have killed more Iranians then ok that's what you believe.

And Shahi Iran and IRI are same ? ROFL. Shahi Iran at one point was worlds fastest rising economies, 14th largest GDP at its peak (IRI currently stands in 40s) with worlds 5th most armed to teeth powerful military. I am no Shahi lover, just stating numerical facts.

I've had this discussion before with other forum members. The Iranian military during the Shah performed poorly despite the huge amounts of equipment given to it.
As far as the economy argument, I get that you're a hyper-capitalist, but high GDP doesn't mean prosperity. GDP was largely driven by oil exports and wealth was concentrated and unequal (just as it is now under IR). Even as stupid as Iranians are, they didn't revolt for fun. It's like how the US has a rising GDP but living standards are going down, food prices are going up, and economic hardship is increasing for the average person while the wealthy now control over 50% of the country's wealth.

 

[Arash]

On the border with Iran ??????? Is that sure ????

 

[ToddE]

If your argument is that the Shah should have killed more Iranians then ok that's what you believe.

Same "Iranians" later did following:

- Mass Killings of (1988) thousands of Iranian political prisoners.
- Killings of student during protests in 1999.
- Killings, mass arrests and executions on 2009 election demonstrations, killings and mass arrests and executions so that Nuclear traitor Mr. Chimpnejad can win the fraud election.
- Killings of protesters during the 2017–2018 nationwide unrest.
- Mass killings during the November 2019 fuel protests “Bloody November”.
- Killings of hundreds during Mahsa Amini’s protests.

You were saying ? Besides if Revolution had not happened, Saddam would not have dared to attack Iran. He did that only because he saw weakness and oppurtunity. Million lives would have been saved.

I've had this discussion before with other forum members. The Iranian military during the Shah performed poorly despite the huge amounts of equipment given to it.

.... and IRI's military performs brilliantly right ? Lol this bunch has lost its generals, both inside and outside Iran, lost its key scientists because security setup is incompetent to the core. IRIAF is dead, IRIN is struggling to keep up, Airdefence failed in war despite heavy investments. Corrupt idiots put out one after another quick cash grab failure project that never goes into production. Literally IRGCAF alone provided minimal face saving in the war otherwise 1000 Iranians died and IRI did what in return ? Its not just this time, previously US and Israeli support to IRIAF (basically IIAF) saved IRI against EU+USSR fueled Baathist war machine otherwise may be million more Iranians would have died at hands of Arabs. Whatever Shahi military was, this group is incompetent on another level.

As far as the economy argument, I get that you're a hyper-capitalist, but high GDP doesn't mean prosperity. GDP was largely driven by oil exports and wealth was concentrated and unequal (just as it is now under IR).

Word Gizmos do not work in real world, money does. US and China are superpowers because they have unparallel wealth. No matter how you twist it, it wont change the fact that money matters and IRI is 3-4 times poorer that Shahi Iran. Same nation, same people got multifold poorer, can you guess why?

Even as stupid as Iranians are, they didn't revolt for fun.

Nobody revolted over GDP, Gini index lol Revolution was caused by Mullahs and Radical Leftists. Both of these groups had their own ideological agendas and had foreign support for that. This combination is still ruling Iran with Ayatollahs wasting money on ideological Islamism and IRI remains a mainly socialist economy, heavily dominated by Government.

It's like how the US has a rising GDP but living standards are going down, food prices are going up, and economic hardship is increasing for the average person while the wealthy now control over 50% of the country's wealth.

You cant be more wrong than that. Shahi Iranian Gini Index is almost same as IRI (~0.4). So your entire argument about "inequality" is just fundamentally wrong. IRI improved nothing in terms of distribution of wealth among Iranians.

"Moreover, while post-Revolution Iran has been less effective in reducing income inequality. The Gini coefficient (a common measure of income inequality, with zero representing maximum equality) has remained above 0.40, not much lower than it was in the early 1970s."

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-islamic-revolution-at-40/

Again, you were saying ?

 

[mangekyo]

Shah was nationalist but naive to the core unlike his father. Spoiled prince after all while Daddy Pahlavi was tough n self made. Had Shah been clever he could have cracked down harder on Islamo-Marxists. He would have seen what these foriegn funded "revolutionaries" will do to his nation that oneday Iranian blood will become so cheap that rulers of Iran will be saying Iran means nothing while Iranians were being crushed under rubble.

Majority Ayatollahs and their pets in IRGC are corrupt mafia men. Shamkhani's daughter was showing half breasts in his presence few days ago, now Yahya Rahim Safavi's daughter is caught living Harom Life in Austrailia. Some may be actually stupid like you are saying which is even more sad but majority is just putting on an act.

I completely agree with you. I think he knew very well what they would do, but he was delusional in thinking the people would back him up and underestimated Iranian tribalism mentality.

 

[Shafagh]

So sorry your U.S installed retarded dictator didn't have the Balls to kill even more Iranians instead of running away with tens of Billions!!!

What else do you have to say other than this whataboutism?

I didnt even bring up the Shah, but to refute I.R. shortcomings, you decide to counter with "Oh at least I.R. isn't a pro American dictator who ran a secret police and took billions when he was toppled". That's a student saying oh well I am getting C grade in my classes, but at least I am not getting D.

Then immediately after, we had an Islamic government that killed thousands, drove the economy into the toilet, and alienated us for decades with the embassy hostage stunt, makbar Amrika nonsense.

So best Iran can do is group of geriatric Islamic Marxist dictators, or a pro western stooge obsessed with emulating western culture, lifestyle.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Same "Iranians" later did following:

- Mass Killings of (1988) thousands of Iranian political prisoners.
- Killings of student during protests in 1999.
- Killings, mass arrests and executions on 2009 election demonstrations, killings and mass arrests and executions so that Nuclear traitor Mr. Chimpnejad can win the fraud election.
- Killings of protesters during the 2017–2018 nationwide unrest.
- Mass killings during the November 2019 fuel protests “Bloody November”.
- Killings of hundreds during Mahsa Amini’s protests.

You were saying ? Besides if Revolution had not happened, Saddam would not have dared to attack Iran. He did that only because he saw weakness and oppurtunity. Million lives would have been saved.

I'm just clarifying your position. People get the government they deserve. If Iranians tried to overthrow IR as hard as they did the shah they wouldn't be in this situation. Iranians have been dying by the millions in wars, famines, etc. for centuries now, what difference does it make who or what kills them? Iranians don't deserve safety and prosperity just for existing, they'll have to make it for themselves.

.... and IRI's military performs brilliantly right ? Lol this bunch has lost its generals, both inside and outside Iran, lost its key scientists because security setup is incompetent to the core. IRIAF is dead, IRIN is struggling to keep up, Airdefence failed in war despite heavy investments. Corrupt idiots put out one after another quick cash grab failure project that never goes into production. Literally IRGCAF alone provided minimal face saving in the war otherwise 1000 Iranians died and IRI did what in return ? Its not just this time, previously US and Israeli support to IRIAF (basically IIAF) saved IRI against EU+USSR fueled Baathist war machine otherwise may be million more Iranians would have died at hands of Arabs. Whatever Shahi military was, this group is incompetent on another level.

All this is irrelevant to my reply to your original statement. The shah's military was incompetent and had to have the British help to beat a bunch of Omani tribesan, but probably IR's is worse now.

Word Gizmos do not work in real world, money does. US and China are superpowers because they have unparallel wealth. No matter how you twist it, it wont change the fact that money matters and IRI is 3-4 times poorer that Shahi Iran. Same nation, same people got multifold poorer, can you guess why?

Typo? If not I don't know what you mean here.

You cant be more wrong than that. Shahi Iranian Gini Index is almost same as IRI (~0.4). So your entire argument about "inequality" is just fundamentally wrong. IRI improved nothing in terms of distribution of wealth among Iranians.

"Moreover, while post-Revolution Iran has been less effective in reducing income inequality. The Gini coefficient (a common measure of income inequality, with zero representing maximum equality) has remained above 0.40, not much lower than it was in the early 1970s."

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-islamic-revolution-at-40/

Again, you were saying ?

So you agree with me?
I said:

(just as it is now under IR)

It will be this way after IR too. Qajars, Pahlavis, mullahs, whoever comes next, Moderation Edit
Iran would have been better off it was colonized. At least countries like India got dragged into modernity through colonization; millions of Iranians died and suffered anyways but remained an uncivilized tribal society.