Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
Israel has allocated $43 billion to its military budget in 2026-27, which is 21.2% of its overall state budget

this is the second highest military budget by % of budget in the world after only Ukraine

the budget is based on the findings of the Nagel Report, which recommended:

  • Israel must increase its capacity for a "massive and sustained" attack on Iran
  • Israel must not "contain" threats and must adopt a preemptive and active approach: "deliberately going to war, at the right moment, is essential for the future of the State."
  • Israel's use of force should be "as disproportionate as possible, and continuously unrelenting," leading to the annihilation or debilitation of its enemies.
I wonder what the equivalent of the Nagel Report in Iran is. strategic patience in the face of a proactive and disproportionate enemy is not a feasible strategy.
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Considering the tone of some of the commanders still going on with public narrative building, I wont be too surprised if they get exposed in next conflict. IRIAF is still in-existent, the western FABs esp Tabriz received extensive damage and we are not seeing new airframes. A whole three new squadrons of CAP fighters are needed at western FABs even if they are local F-5s to have some level of aerial deterence but nothing is happening. No massive upgrade of IRIADF is happening either, few new TELARs are seen but they wont make any strategic difference considering the IADS is still vulnerable to ALBM/ALCM fire from Iraq. IRGCASF is silent so could be interpreted as either having nothing new or having lots to hide.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Israel has allocated $43 billion to its military budget in 2026-27, which is 21.2% of its overall state budget

this is the second highest military budget by % of budget in the world after only Ukraine

the budget is based on the findings of the Nagel Report, which recommended:

  • Israel must increase its capacity for a "massive and sustained" attack on Iran
  • Israel must not "contain" threats and must adopt a preemptive and active approach: "deliberately going to war, at the right moment, is essential for the future of the State."
  • Israel's use of force should be "as disproportionate as possible, and continuously unrelenting," leading to the annihilation or debilitation of its enemies.
I wonder what the equivalent of the Nagel Report in Iran is. strategic patience in the face of a proactive and disproportionate enemy is not a feasible strategy.
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If you wanted any more clear indication of the intent of war on Iran by Israel, this is it. Will the Iranian leadership understand the significance of this and act accordingly is as you say, up to debate.
 
Emirzad said:
Considering the tone of some of the commanders still going on with public narrative building, I wont be too surprised if they get exposed in next conflict. IRIAF is still in-existent, the western FABs esp Tabriz received extensive damage and we are not seeing new airframes. A whole three new squadrons of CAP fighters are needed at western FABs even if they are local F-5s to have some level of aerial deterence but nothing is happening. No massive upgrade of IRIADF is happening either, few new TELARs are seen but they wont make any strategic difference considering the IADS is still vulnerable to ALBM/ALCM fire from Iraq. IRGCASF is silent so could be interpreted as either having nothing new or having lots to hide.
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tactically successful strikes mean your opponent has to spend a year+ just to rebuild

this is what we see with the SSM bases and MoD and missile facilities generally

and this is what our own MRBM strikes on Israeli air bases failed to achieve
 
Persian Gulf said:
tactically successful strikes mean your opponent has to spend a year+ just to rebuild

this is what we see with the SSM bases and MoD and missile facilities generally

and this is what our own MRBM strikes on Israeli air bases failed to achieve
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I more worried about strike + defense capabilities not being enhanced at right pace because damage repair is one-thing but deterrence stops war and IRI is not doing that. It has been half a year since war yet we are just in the repair phase while we know entire EU+US will help Israel like loyal dogs in getting whatever they want. May be IRI has learnt to be more secretive esp IRGC but considering the overall culture I will be concerned.
 
The mossad agent says the quiet part out loud. The missiles should not have the ability to reach Israel .
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Persian Gulf said:
Israel has allocated $43 billion to its military budget in 2026-27, which is 21.2% of its overall state budget

this is the second highest military budget by % of budget in the world after only Ukraine

the budget is based on the findings of the Nagel Report, which recommended:

  • Israel must increase its capacity for a "massive and sustained" attack on Iran
  • Israel must not "contain" threats and must adopt a preemptive and active approach: "deliberately going to war, at the right moment, is essential for the future of the State."
  • Israel's use of force should be "as disproportionate as possible, and continuously unrelenting," leading to the annihilation or debilitation of its enemies.
I wonder what the equivalent of the Nagel Report in Iran is. strategic patience in the face of a proactive and disproportionate enemy is not a feasible strategy.
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Good luck with that.....maybe they'll use Jewish black magic. Let's list who they're talking about....1. Iran, 2. Iran, 3. Iran.....4. Lebanon.
And Iran is not going to just sit around while they do that.....now we know they have no chance of blocking all the missiles. Now we know how afraid they are of mass destruction on their cities and infrastructure. Now we know how they will attack. So, let's show these monkeys were not Hezbollah, Syria or Yemen.
 
I hope IRGCAF will protect the western bases and avoid getting the entrances stuck at all costs

If the western bases entrances survives and are still operable after the first 24hrs, IRGCAF can achieve the thousand missile launched world record on Israel
 
Persian Gulf said:
Israel has allocated $43 billion to its military budget in 2026-27, which is 21.2% of its overall state budget

this is the second highest military budget by % of budget in the world after only Ukraine

the budget is based on the findings of the Nagel Report, which recommended:

  • Israel must increase its capacity for a "massive and sustained" attack on Iran
  • Israel must not "contain" threats and must adopt a preemptive and active approach: "deliberately going to war, at the right moment, is essential for the future of the State."
  • Israel's use of force should be "as disproportionate as possible, and continuously unrelenting," leading to the annihilation or debilitation of its enemies.
I wonder what the equivalent of the Nagel Report in Iran is. strategic patience in the face of a proactive and disproportionate enemy is not a feasible strategy.
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This really is not show of strength. Its a sign of weakness and unsustainability of that regime.
Societes and states that become so radicalized and militarized are doomed, and eventually implodes. There is historical precedence for that.

But yes, Iran should take it VERY seriously and prepare accordingly. The only way forward is to increase your own military power and make the punitive measures and costs unimaginable. Thats the only way to create some level of deterrence.
 
ResurgentIran2 said:
This really is not show of strength. Its a sign of weakness and unsustainability of that regime.
Societes and states that become so radicalized and militarized are doomed, and eventually implodes. There is historical precedence for that.

But yes, Iran should take it VERY seriously and prepare accordingly. The only way forward is to increase your own military power and make the punitive measures and costs to enemy agression unimaginable. Thats the only way to create some level of deterrence.
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Iran's own military budget is set to increase to $46 billion next year

but the US also receives a significant amount of military aid from the USA, of course

the top priority is obviously air force but this tweet is a good summary of some of the basic shortcomings of the IRGC-ASF missile force (not even including lack of accuracy sufficient for tactical operations):

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Persian Gulf said:
Iran's own military budget is set to increase to $46 billion next year

but the US also receives a significant amount of military aid from the USA, of course

the top priority is obviously air force but this tweet is a good summary of some of the basic shortcomings of the IRGC-ASF missile force (not even including lack of accuracy sufficient for tactical operations):

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Well then it means Iran is taking things seriously.
But we should be clear. We are not up against "israel". Israel is an extension of western imperialism and neocolonialism. Thats what Iran has spent the last two decades preparing for. A war against the collective west, in case of an all out war.

Otherwise the state of israel (if it had to carry its own weight), could be compared to a flee that barely can scratch an elephants ass.
 
tsunset said:
I hope IRGCAF will protect the western bases and avoid getting the entrances stuck at all costs

If the western bases entrances survives and are still operable after the first 24hrs, IRGCAF can achieve the thousand missile launched world record on Israel
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Albms that collapsed the entrances of the mountain bases can be theoretically shot down by advanced sam systems but it cannot be relied upon. You take precaution by thinking about the worst case scenario and in this case the best case scenario of hitting the albms before reaching their target is very low as well. Mountain bases are more secure than open airbases against an albm attack but their entrances and ventilation shafts are very vulnurable. Most possibly the entrances will be destroyed-collapsed and unusable again.

In that case some extra uncomplete tunnels that extend outside of the mountain can be prepared. The tunnels can be opened outside by small explosives from inside or excavator vehicles inside the mountain. Once opened TELs will launch their salvo against the target and return back immediately. The gate will be detected by satellites after it is opened and will be destoryed. So several tunnels need to be prepared from the mountain to keep the fight ongoing.

Ventilation shafts are another problem. They should be zigzag shaped with many corners inside. A bomb toss will smash inside the rocks and corners instead of volleying diretcly down the shaft like what was happened in Fordow base.

Gates facing directly towards the target in this case south and west are more prone to ballistic trajectory attacks. Main gates of a mountain base should look away from the enemy ballistic missile attack trajectory like east and north(risky if there is possibility from an attack from the north) at the opposite side of the mountain. It will be more difficult to get a direct hit with a ballistic missile and collapse the main gate. This is less reliable than emergency tunnels with some tweaks and angles the gate can still be hit but it may be necessary for a mountain airbase for planes that cannot use tunnels. They can use other options like cruise missiles to hit the gates too but it is easier to defend against them.

You can modify helicopters to low cost awacs role to detect low flying f15s in Iraqi airspace and use your airforce too that is another option as well. It will have less range than a normal awacs but it will not require an airbase and can be obtained in numbers and have several 100kms detection range for large albm carriers like f15.

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Lately drone awacs are also getting into trend.

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Persian Gulf said:
Iran's own military budget is set to increase to $46 billion next year

but the US also receives a significant amount of military aid from the USA, of course

the top priority is obviously air force but this tweet is a good summary of some of the basic shortcomings of the IRGC-ASF missile force (not even including lack of accuracy sufficient for tactical operations):

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These shortcomings can be overcome in few months, some can be within weeks. I am kinda relieved to see Fattah hypersonic on a mono TEL because it shows that shortcoming has been identified and is being taken into consideration. 1000+ cheap mobile TELs ensure that enemy is either facing the launched missile or wastes its million USD SOW on it, win-win either way.

I am rather more concerned about about virtually having no technology in the world that can defend bases in west against ALBM launches away from Iran. Considering what happened at Tabriz FAB, it will be foolish to have SU-35S, MIG-29M upfront in open in future. Aircrafts should be either in hardened bunkers or underground bases. Better will be IRGCASF developing such lethal strike capability that for 1 of our aircraft we destroy 2 of theirs in their bases. We have seen that Israel respect deterence. I see no other solution even if we create layers of Majid SHORAD and HIMAD layers of S-300PMU2, Khordad-3/15, Bavar-373 ... IAF's ALBM are lofted trajectory separating MaRVed hypersonic missiles. They just cant be stopped by HIMADs. They also have low RCS micro ALCMs. Its a mind puzzle literally.
 
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a bit dramatic but hard to disagree
 
Persian Gulf said:
Israel has allocated $43 billion to its military budget in 2026-27, which is 21.2% of its overall state budget

this is the second highest military budget by % of budget in the world after only Ukraine

the budget is based on the findings of the Nagel Report, which recommended:

  • Israel must increase its capacity for a "massive and sustained" attack on Iran
  • Israel must not "contain" threats and must adopt a preemptive and active approach: "deliberately going to war, at the right moment, is essential for the future of the State."
  • Israel's use of force should be "as disproportionate as possible, and continuously unrelenting," leading to the annihilation or debilitation of its enemies.
I wonder what the equivalent of the Nagel Report in Iran is. strategic patience in the face of a proactive and disproportionate enemy is not a feasible strategy.
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What increase is this year on year?
 
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