Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Falcon29]

Iran does not have credible military deterrent against Israel.

If they get attacked again Iran will perform worse than 12 day war.

They are not going to attack to give chance for protests to gain momentum and see if regime will normalize with Israel to attain some semblance of sanctions relief.

 

[kastor ville]

Have you found their playbook through published articles online?

Why does that matter? Lol...how many different ways do you think it will play out? 5th fleet has mine sweepers nearby...so you will have to make sure they're impeded. Who cares if iran is an all out war? They will dispatch warships....ask our resident experts about out maritime missiles develop for exactly such a task. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have built up backup supply pipes.... If Iran is to deploy scorched earth tactics it must take those out too. As long as iran doesn't bomb the American bases and go head to head with the US, Iran can project tremendous power in this regard.

 

[ShapurII]

Why does that matter? Lol...how many different ways do you think it will play out? 5th fleet has mine sweepers nearby...so you will have to make sure they're impeded. Who cares if iran is an all out war? They will dispatch warships....ask our resident experts about out maritime missiles develop for exactly such a task. Saudi Arabia and Qatar have built up backup supply pipes.... If we are to deploy scorched earth tactics we must take those out too. As long as we do not bomb the American bases and go head to head with the US, Iran can project tremendous power in this regard.

Didn't we try this idea against Iraq and the Tanker War happened? The US will intervene militarily if oil transfer is disrupted.
So, we cannot really project power in the region without going head to head with the US.

 

[kastor ville]

Didn't we try this idea against Iraq and the Tanker War happened? The US will intervene militarily if oil transfer is disrupted.
So, we cannot really project power in the region without going head to head with the US.

False equivalency....Iran was weak and unarmed during Praying Mantis. This is not then.
Here's a snippet of what could happen to the energy markets
For this to be successful, iran will have to follow through...no half measures. This strategic petroleum reserve in the us can only last 2 weeks or so..... Even then the cost to the global economy would be in the multi trillions of dollars. Now, that's the kind of war I would like to avoid if I was a leader of a western nation.

What Happens If Iran Closes the Strait of Hormuz?

The Strait of Hormuz acts as the main artery through which around 20% of the world's oil for trade and more than 30% of global liquefied natural gas are transported each day.

moderndiplomacy.eu

With all of this said, i still don't think there's an attack Imminent... I operate on logic, it has to make sense for the aggressor to attack. I may be blind, but I don't see it right now... I will believe it when the news breaks. And believe me, I will be the first one to say I was wrong.

 

[ShapurII]

False equivalency....Iran was weak and unarmed during Praying Mantis. This is not then.
Here's a snippet of what could happen to the energy markets
For this to be successful, iran will have to follow through...no half measures. This strategic petroleum reserve in the us can only last 2 weeks or so..... Even then the cost to the global economy. It would be multi trillions of dollars. Now, that's the kind of war I would like to avoid if I was a leader of a western nation.

What Happens If Iran Closes the Strait of Hormuz?

The Strait of Hormuz acts as the main artery through which around 20% of the world's oil for trade and more than 30% of global liquefied natural gas are transported each day.

moderndiplomacy.eu

What would you do if the US goes for a disproportionate response?
I think you need more imagination too because you are only imagining scenarios where things go well according to our plans.

 

[kastor ville]

What would you do if the US goes for a disproportionate response?
I think you need more imagination too because you are only imagining scenarios where things go well according to our plans.

So now you think that we're dealing with an adversary that deals in logic and proportions? Have you been watching the news lately? Sorry, but they mean to destroy and fragment our ancient nation

 

[ShapurII]

So now you think that we're dealing with an adversary that deals in logic and proportions? Have you been watching the news lately? Sorry, but they mean to destroy and fragment our ancient nation

So, let me see if I understand you clearly. You're saying that we should go suicidal and get Tehran nuked or what?

 

[kastor ville]

So, let me see if I understand you clearly. You're saying that we should go suicidal and get Tehran nuked or what?

And it looks like you're back in fantasy land again.
Nuked for what? Explain this.... What defense doctrine would allow the United States or anyone else to nuke a country that is preemptively attacked and defending itself?

 

[ShapurII]

And it looks like you're back in fantasy land again.
Nuked for what? Explain this.... What defense doctrine would allow the united states or anyone else to nuke a country that is preemptively attacked and defending itself?

What defense doctrine allows the US to kidnap another country's president and beat his wife?

 

[mangekyo]

Whatever scenario you guys bring up is irrelevant. Nothing beats the Epstein files. Netanyahu owns US for 3 more years.

 

[ResurgentIran2]

Iran does not have credible military deterrent against Israel.

If they get attacked again Iran will perform worse than 12 day war.

They are not going to attack to give chance for protests to gain momentum and see if regime will normalize with Israel to attain some semblance of sanctions relief.

Thats just speculation on your part. No evidence of Iran moving towards normalization with Israel.

But what we have seen with our very eyes is Syria under Jolani (which you seem to have no problem with) openly talking to and thereby legitimizing/normalizing the genocidal state.

Cognitive dissonance on an order of magnitude times 100.

 

[kastor ville]

Whatever scenario you guys bring up is irrelevant. Nothing beats the Epstein files. Netanyahu owns US for 3 more years.

True....let's see what happens, Trump has already bombed Iran with little fallout....why on earth, would he risk turning that win into a loss is beyond me. Besides now he has Greenland, Cuba and Colombia on his radar. Not to mention midterms, the epstein files, and a faltering economy.

 

[mangekyo]

True....let's see what happens, Trump has already bombed Iran with little fallout....why on earth, would he risk turning that win into a loss is beyond me. Besides now he has Greenland, Cuba and Colombia on his radar. Not to mention midterms, the epstein files, and a faltering economy.

Because it doesn’t matter. He must do whatever Netanyahu tells him to do.

 

[RocketLaw]

Off Topic:

 

[mangekyo]

In 2024, China promoted the J-10C fighter jet to Iran.an Iranian general clearly stated that Iran is very powerful and does not need China's help or intervention.

China promoted the J-10C fighter jet to Iran because it perceived a threat to Iran.
The threat materialized the following year when Israel and the United States bombed Iran.

Just as Iranian general said, iran is strong, good luck.

Picture is of Habibollah Sayyari, he’s a rear admiral. He has nothing to do with the Air Force.

China is not allowed to sell fighters to Iran by the US. Let’s not pretend otherwise.