Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Trump claims Iran called them and a meeting is being set up.

Sounds like a trap.

 

[Winthorpe]

Or face saving driven by fear!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

If US bombs now then perhaps that what Iranian mullah govt needs? That will unify people against a common enemy?

 

[Immortals]

even if it's true, he's retarded to say it. he's undermining those in Iran who want to negotiate by threatening to bomb Iran regardless. you are not seriously disputing that the man who thinks a dementia test is an IQ test is retarded?

This “retarded” man:

• killed the strongest general Iran has had in centuries (Solemani)
• rolled back Iranian power across the Middle East
• Ripped up the nuclear deal that was keeping this government alive
• Got the whole world to go along with new sanctions (minus some oil buying by China)
• Drove Iranian oil production down to as low as 200,000 barrels a day
• Successfully bombed Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan
• Driven Iran to the brink of government collapse for the first time in 40 years

He did all this without a single American boot on the ground and without world economic collapse happening from Iranian retaliation on energy prices.

This man did what no one thought was possible and what Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and Carter didn’t have the balls to do.

He may be stupid on the outside, but he has forced world leaders to recalibrate. Wether it’s him or the Masters he has pulling his strings, Trump has been the most detrimental president to the Islamic Republic of Iran since 1970.

 

[Immortals]

Sounds like a trap.

Iran doesn’t have cards to play. Even if these riots fizzle out, they will start again in 2 years. The frequency has been increasing as the rial becomes Monopoly money. Iran cannot play wack a mole on protestors.

If US bombs now then perhaps that what Iranian mullah govt needs? That will unify people against a common enemy?

The ones rioting are the ones that want Trump to bomb. The ones that support the current government can see thru the ruse.

That’s why the U.S. might bomb targets that will garner support among the rioters while being careful not to bomb targets that will backfire and make the public angry.

 

[Immortals]

Negotiating with aggressors is always a path to ruin.
No nation will make genuine deals with weaklings lacking the courage to fight.
They'll only deliver a crushing blow when the other side shows weakness.
Iran's leadership are fools who will never learn this lesson.

And what do you propose exactly?

The Iranian military has turned out to be a paper Tiger outside of the mouse force. They cannot defend the skies of Iran worth a damn. Their missiles alone aren’t enough to turn the tide of any major war and could be exhausted very quickly if a war carries on too long.

Hezbollah is getting bombed as we speak and is still re-organizing itself. Hamas is decimated. Houthis are an ocean away and we cannot re supply them if we are at war.

I’m not sure what you think can be done. The policy of no negotiations, no nukes, and no war has worked awful.

 

[HAIDER]

 

[kastor ville]

This “retarded” man:

• killed the strongest general Iran has had in centuries (Solemani)
• rolled back Iranian power across the Middle East
• Ripped up the nuclear deal that was keeping this government alive
• Got the whole world to go along with new sanctions (minus some oil buying by China)
• Drove Iranian oil production down to as low as 200,000 barrels a day
• Successfully bombed Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan
• Driven Iran to the brink of government collapse for the first time in 40 years

He did all this without a single American boot on the ground and without world economic collapse happening from Iranian retaliation on energy prices.

This man did what no one thought was possible and what Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, and Carter didn’t have the balls to do.

He may be stupid on the outside, but he has forced world leaders to recalibrate. Wether it’s him or the Masters he has pulling his strings, Trump has been the most detrimental president to the Islamic Republic of Iran since 1970.

You said...he ripped up a deal that capped enrichment....he also killed Solemani, in return Iran was the first country to dare attack the US, that did not get an retaliation.....which astonished the Arabs.
With that said, Iran's economy was slowly dying before he came into office.
He bombed Fordow, but we don't know how successful it was.....if anything he has convinced many people within the regime that we must make the bomb.
The collapse of the rial is due to bad governance and bad leadership of sycophants and ring kissers.....that the old man keeps promoting to run the country.
Trump is not the winner he projects.....he's actually a kid playing with a book of matches.....sooner or later he will get burned.....just wait.

 

[Immortals]

Iran is heading for a military dictated petro state.

Iran neither has the capital markets nor the required technology to revitalize its oil sector to even reached 1970’s levels. If it could it would have done it in the last two decades.

Iran’s oil minister has said we need 250B dollars to stay competitive and keep up with the rest of OPEC members. Just look at how much Saudi Arabia has spent the last 15 years.

Without Chinese or American capital, Iran is screwed.

This is not even getting into the natural gas projects or the LNG projects. Most of the natural gas we have is being sucked up by Qatar as Iran keeps falling behind on building off shore rigs in the Pars field. Most of Iran’s current natural gas is consumed at rock bottom subsidized prices by its own population.

Iran isn’t top 15 natural gas exporter despite being top 7 natural gas producer.

 

[ToddE]

You said...he ripped up a deal that capped enrichment....he also killed Solemani, in return Iran was the first country to dare attack the US, that did not get an retaliation.....which astonished the Arabs.

They took our national hero and we gave 150 rando soldiers a concussion ? IRI should have ripped NPT apart right away and go for nuclear testing. Soleimani was an official, a legal officer of a sovereign country visiting another country on an official visit. US broke the law, they should have been strategically punished. IRI chickened out or if we go by another angle, he was burnt from inside considering he was easily the best figure to take over the role of SL post Khamenei.

With that said, Iran's economy was slowly dying before he came into office.
He bombed Fordow, but we don't know how successful it was.....if anything he has convinced many people within the regime that we must make the bomb.
The collapse of the rial is due to bad governance and bad leadership of sycophants and ring kissers.....that the old man keeps promoting to run the country.
Trump is not the winner he projects.....he's actually a kid playing with a book of matches.....sooner or later he will get burned.....just wait.

Economy is shit because of sanctions because Ayatollahs wanted to fight war against people who control global finances.

Iran neither has the capital markets nor the required technology to revitalize its oil sector to even reached 1970’s levels. If it could it would have done it in the last two decades.

Iran’s oil minister has said we need 250B dollars to stay competitive and keep up with the rest of OPEC members. Just look at how much Saudi Arabia has spent the last 15 years.

Without Chinese or American capital, Iran is screwed.

This is not even getting into the natural gas projects or the LNG projects. Most of the natural gas we have is being sucked up by Qatar as Iran keeps falling behind on building off shore rigs in the Pars field. Most of Iran’s current natural gas is consumed at rock bottom subsidized prices by its own population.

Iran isn’t top 15 natural gas exporter despite being top 7 natural gas producer.

I dont recall anybody ever claiming that Iran can itself modernize the hydrocarbon sector. Ayatollahs wasted 500 Billion USD on useless Arab militias to fight Jews.

Just few months ago PGCC led by Saudis were offering the investment. Not sure what happened to that proposal.

 

[Arash]

latest threats from Trump

Guys you really don't understand..........

Just as when Iran retaliated at Israel, Trump had to threaten regime change and boast big attack to finally save the face and get a deal to stop the war (although iran got damaged then of course)

My belief :
- during the 12 days war, Iran retaliated and trump boasted big intervention in order to stop the war, but ultimately this proved somehow to be a play (yes iran got damaged of course)
- now I don't know if the rioters are still in high activity, but it seems Kurdish terrorists and jaish ul adl attacks failed, maybe, maybe, maybe, this option is also proving to be a failure and then they want to pressure iran to avoid retaliation against IL.

My two cents....

 

[Bahrami]

Starlink was patched yesterday and is fully operational again in Iran.

 

[RescueRanger]

Starlink was patched yesterday and is fully operational again in Iran.

They can patch whatever they want - doesnt stop a nation jamming the band that LEOs operate on.

 

[Master Chief]

Do you really think Mossad operators are using Starlink satellites to communicate and not military communication satellites?

Jamming Starlink only prevented individuals who had already bought Elon’s required satellite receiver from sending videos out. Starlink doesn’t work without having the receiver to receive the satellite signals.

But the question is has Mossad and the CIA also been blocked out of Iran via their own military grade communication satellites?

Of course Mossad is going to use far more secure technology, but any "amateur enthusiast" internally based instigators lower down the food pyramid would likely have felt the pinch of disrupted communications with their peers.

 

[vizier]

They can patch whatever they want - doesnt stop a nation jamming the band that LEOs operate on.

Other than wideband jamming the terminals also have high infrared signature. Low flying drones with infrared cameras can look out for possible heat sources flying over suspected areas.

Russian Drones Use Thermal Imaging to Detect Starlink Units

Russian military says thermal imaging drones are effectively detecting Starlink terminals and disrupting enemy UAV operations west of Huliaipole.

voennoedelo.com

Also they can be located by 3 drones(or ground vehicles if they are sensitive enough) from air by sigint. This is expensive though and needs required specialized vehicles.

Maybe a cheaper method in a controlled area can be drone-infrared scanning with rf scanning combined. After a drone picks up an infrared source from above another drone can fly low over that area to detect starlink frequencies.

Similarly when a drone picks up a frequency(directional antennta facing down) flying over an area an infrared camera drone can scan that area more throughly afterwards. You dont need to fly low in that case and this is more stealthy way to detect the starlink dishes in my opinion. Then that area can be raided. If they use arms and resist arrest the security forces have the right to respond them back accordingly.