Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Garcia Sea said:
I am astonished by the Middle Eastern people's lack of understanding of the salami tactic.
They launch attacks just strong enough to make the enemy hesitate to wage full-scale war, then immediately cease fire, aiming to create a fait accompli.
This is a standard tactic used by Western countries when invading.
Iran fell into this trap. Even after Soleimani was assassinated, even after Haniyeh was assassinated, even after all its nuclear facilities were destroyed, it did not retaliate.
As a result, large-scale bombing across the entire country is imminent.
If Iran flees again without retaliating this time, it will surely become like Syria or Lebanon.
Israel and the US will then be free to fly over Iran anytime, dropping bombs wherever they please.
The people of the Middle East are far too ignorant of Western diplomatic strategy.
I repeat, you must never agree to a ceasefire.
It will turn your country into a hell like Libya, Syria, or Gaza.
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I agree. What Iran lacks is aggressiveness; on this point, the political and military leadership has failed to re-establish deterrence because of this lack of aggressiveness. It's one of the greatest principles of war.
 
Once this is over, I will pull my old posts here which have so far been 100% correct. For Israel it was all about IRI's military capability that they got exposed against in 12 day war, aura of untouchable invincibility that they established against Arabs in last 70-80 years got thrashed by sanctions crippled IRGCASF. All that mad dog doctrine did not work against Mullahs. Tit for tats on their oil field, ports, hospitals, strategic institutions showed that they also bleed like rest. They want this gone as per reports of last nights communication between white house and Israel. That was their entire motive. Wont happen.

For US deep state its all about IRI-PRC-Russian plan to replace petro-USD with petro-Yuan, something that BRICS as whole was predicted to achieve is being achieved by these three alone using Iranian oil and spread of Yuan/RMB in return. This is 10x the danger for west than USSR or Nazi Germany ever was. Clowns like Reza Pahlavi or others are just created to be parachuted into power so they somehow bring 8 trillion USD worth Iranian oil into western market against USD instead of Yuan that it currently is flowing at 5.5 MBPD against 125-150 Billion USD worth Yuan a year. Its just a fraction of what the real reserves are. They may need investment yes but revenues are big and are accumulating. The economic grievance is artifically created by reformists. It happened before in Rohani era as well, people forget when out of nowhere currency fell to ground. Literally in 2025 exports worth exceeding 100 Billion USD from oil alone reached pockets of Reformist government, where is it? It seems like IRGC, Reformists, Even some apparent conservatives led by Larijani all want Mullahs gones. Russia, China, IRI cant be tackled militarily, alone or in group hence west comes with these non kinetic tactics like protests or internal political problems. Khamenei will go one way or other, he is 87, Iran will turn into a secular non Islamic society on its own over time but IRI will sustain as a military run technocracy on petro economy. It has become too important in global politics that now it cant be just left alone. 10 years of such Yuan spread fueled by Iranian oil will result in significant portion of world equating Yuan's importance to USD and EU. To preserve this plan, IRGC has 1 million strong military and 3000 Missiles and apparently 40 Billion USD defence budget but some low IQs here thought the force will bundle up like non-nation state Syria which was being run on Food stamps from Russia and Iran.
 
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This is one of the crazier things I’ve read about this conflict. Trump is going to attack, but we have to wait for his favorite toys to arrive. Imagine that.

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Is he suggesting Israel tested a nuke?

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mangekyo said:
This is one of the crazier things I’ve read about this conflict. Trump is going to attack, but we have to wait for his favorite toys to arrive. Imagine that.

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nuke used any where, would be a green signal to Russia as well!

no, nukes will not be used
 
Unknowntruth said:
Rich natural resources such as oil and no sanctions play a big role in that. Iran could’ve been the most developed and one of the richest countries in the Middle East if it didn’t go against Western hegemony.
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Iran of today is the product of a democractically electected leader who was over thrown by the United Kingdom (MI6) and the United States (CIA).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh ( take some of it with salt given it can be edited by anyone but you can get the broad strokes ).

They then installed the Shah (Mohammad Reza Pahlavi) who ran a bloody and brutal regime, that was over thrown in the revolution in 1979 which is the IRI of today.

Iran of today is a product of external interference and it has gone to an extreme in its reaction to that interference. This shows why external countries should not interfere in the internal political affairs of countries as they have un-intended consequences.

Imagine a 75-80 year old Iranian democratic setup in the middle east? What Iran would have been like, had they left it alone ? What the region would have been like ?
 
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If I am Iran, I will treat any Trump attack on Iran as a Full-Scale War and retaliate with the aim to kill tens of thousands of US troops, sink Aircraft Carriers, and wage war like as if the end of the world. Trump has already attacked Iran twice already, killing Soleimani and then the B-2 bomber attack on Fordow last year.

Let the Third Time be their Hell ON EARTH, and wipe all of the American soldiers in CENTCOM out. All of them.
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
India, backstabs IR, what a great friend!

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India isn't a friend & indians aren't allowed anymore in Iran. Better call off any cooperation with them.......
 
Mighty_Dragon_Strike said:
nuke used any where, would be a green signal to Russia as well!

no, nukes will not be used
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Israel does not think in this way....If Iran crosses red line with massive retaliation on Israel ... Nuclear option might be used to immediately address Iranian threats.
 
mulj said:
Lessons i concluded to be learnt from this situation for future if i am iranian leadership:
1. Continue to arm yourself endlessly with adding nuclear option,
2. Continue dedollarisation trade and start making barter arrangements with neighbors countries in order to add flexibility to the economy and being more resilient.
3. Ditch India completely, that will give you more goodwill with China.
4. Burn illusions about any reconcillacion with west they are completely enslaved and asks to much for having any relations with them.
5. introduce more technocrats in daily life operations and economy planners.
7. Expect that you will be attacked anyway.
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No nuclear option !!!!!!!!!!

NUCLEAR WEAPON
 
usa and israel know that iran is now at its weakeat point so this time they wnt miss this chance . They are doing calculation after taht they will strike
 
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