Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Falcon29]

Anyhow,

Can Iranian members here tell us of situation on ground ?

And if US attacks, will Iran respond ? In what ways ?

 

[Unknowntruth]

Nope. It's not black and white. Part of being successful is navigating sanctions. There is much bigger risk to sanction them than to sanction Iran. But also they carefully craft policy they're playing a long game in the background and have tons of plausible deniability.

Iran without sanctions doesn't guarantee it will be highly successful.

Turkish Lira got crushed by the West.

Egypt came under a Western-Israeli blockade before.

These conditions aren't unique to Iran. Arabs fought Israel and the West historically in many wars. Everyone is fighting for their survival. Each go about the game differently.

Iran is in the crosshairs because it is countering Israeli dominance. This is why it is under crushing sanctions.

What nation is facing the same crushing sanctions and prospering?

If any gulf nation is in the crosshairs like Iran is now, they would not enjoy the vast wealth they have now. Gulf countries have stayed silent for this reason.

 

[PK781]

Has the Ayatollah said anything? What's the situation in Iran right now guys?
What is the mood amongst the population?

 

[Shags101]

Has the Ayatollah said anything? What's the situation in Iran right now guys?
What is the mood amongst the population?

I think he’s a bunker hidden away same as with most leaders let’s just assume if the war starts prerecorded call to arms for all loyal citizens of Iran

Also just assuming he’s hidden away no actiol news assume many irgc and military commanders have moved to fortified areas as well

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Iran is in this position because it is run by fools. Iranian leaders have been running their mouth nonstop about their capabilities and how they will destroy Israel. Isn’t it better to stop talking shit and instead focus on developing? Stop provoking and antagonizing your enemies.

Iran put all their cards into their axis of resistance instead of building up their military getting proper fighter aircraft and enough advanced air defense systems. It thought its missile capabilities was enough to deter its enemies while having nothing to confront Israeli F35.

Iran was constantly reactive instead of taking the initiative and holding the escalation ladder. It had the axis of resistance and failed to even use them. It just let them get picked off one by one. It showed that Iran was weak and did not want a conflict.

Iran should’ve from the beginning tried to repair relations with the U.S. and build its economy and military. It should have compromised because it is evidently clear it did not want to engage in a war.

They got involved in Syria, Yemen, etc and only hurt their relations with their neighbors. They should have just focused on developing their country and providing a good life for their people instead of engaging in conflicts and putting a bullseye on themselves.

Edit:

China is many times stronger than Iran yet doesn’t behave in this way. You have to play the geopolitical game. It has its own issues with Taiwan but it doesn’t provoke others against it.

The assumption is that Iran and China share the same boat. The assumption is wrong.
China sits and fills a very specific niche and in the region it lies is dotted with states doing almost the same... China is contained and nothing more is needed.
Iran, not by it's own choosing is a regional power from time immemorial. A region that is being engineered...
1. Establishment of an artificial state
2. Change of regional guard and security architecture
3. Reconfigured trade, economic and financial setup
4. Grant zion impunity and monopoly on violence

It is working like clockwork. The assumption that somehow Iran could have coddled or placated their way out is ludicrous. In fact, that has exactly what they have or had been doing all along... assuming that they could just ride the wave... they thought they could be reticent... but their regime was changed because their resources weren't theirs... they weren't docile enough or they had shown teeth without bite... but most importantly the only way they could be capitulate in an acceptable way is to collapse in many pieces never to reconcile again!
And I cannot emphasize this enough... ones who seek a confrontation for their prophecy will even resurrect a dead horse to beat it again...

There is NO other way but to tackle it head on... with all means necessary and end the project as we know it for everyone to live in peace again.

There is NO OTHER WAY!

 

[Cash gk]

Just saw this on Fox
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[kastor ville]

Hmm, what does this mean? He wants an approval to attack? Doesn't sound like Trump.

 

[Cash gk]

Worth watch

 

[Unknowntruth]

The assumption is that Iran and China share the same boat. The assumption is wrong.
China sits and fills a very specific niche and in the region it lies is dotted with states doing almost the same... China is contained and nothing more is needed.
Iran, not by it's own choosing is a regional power from time immemorial. A region that is being engineered...
1. Establishment of an artificial state
2. Change of regional guard and security architecture
3. Reconfigured trade, economic and financial setup
4. Grant zion impunity and monopoly on violence

It is working like clockwork. The assumption that somehow Iran could have coddled or placated their way out is ludicrous. In fact, that has exactly what they have or had been doing all along... assuming that they could just ride the wave... they thought they could be reticent... but their regime was changed because their resources weren't theirs... they weren't docile enough or they had shown teeth without bite... but most importantly the only way they could be capitulate in an acceptable way is to collapse in many pieces never to reconcile again!
And I cannot emphasize this enough... ones who seek a confrontation for their prophecy will even resurrect a dead horse to beat it again...

There is NO other way but to tackle it head on... with all means necessary and end the project as we know it for everyone to live in peace again.

There is NO OTHER WAY!

I understand your perspective.

I mean there is a point where resistance just becomes a trap that alienates you. Iran would have been better to not push itself in a corner and trying to fight this head on. It is a tool that gives them reason to escalate, sanction, and isolate Iran.

I think it would have been better served if it formed alliances, focused on development and economic strength, etc through patience and perseverances.

If China chose to engage in every agitation it would not be where it is today. You have to pick your battles.

 

[Immortals]

Hmm, what does this mean? He wants an approval to attack? Doesn't sound like Trump.

He’s going to go to UN for a condemnation resolution. China or Russia will likely veto. It’s political theater, where is he waiting for the carriers to get into place.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran is in the crosshairs because it is countering Israeli dominance. This is why it is under crushing sanctions.

Israel does not have dominance in the region. It has a qualitative military edge thanks to US policy of granting it that. It does not dominate anybody besides the Palestinians.

Iran is not countering that, but aiding some of Israel's enemies like Hezbollah and Hamas to keep Israel busy with them away from its borders.

So it can buy time to achieve nuclear weapons status. It's a big risk Iran chose to take.

If those other nations tried pursuing nuclear weapons they would be sanctioned likewise.

Lots of them support Hamas today and Hezbollah. They don't face crippling sanctions.

Thats a small part of reason for sanctions but it's primarily the nuclear program.

What nation is facing the same crushing sanctions and prospering?

If any gulf nation is in the crosshairs like Iran is now, they would not enjoy the vast wealth they have now. Gulf countries have stayed silent for this reason.

Again, it's because of nuclear weapons programs.

Btw China, Russia, India, UAE, and Pakistan are doing a lot to help Iran circumvent sanctions.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

7 in 10 say US should not take military action over Iran protest crackdown: Survey

 

[Unknowntruth]

Israel does not have dominance in the region. It has a qualitative military edge thanks to US policy of granting it that. It does not dominate anybody besides the Palestinians.

It will continue to have that edge as long as U.S. supports it. For that reason, Israel can project its power without fear of any retaliation.

Iran is not countering that, but aiding some of Israel's enemies like Hezbollah and Hamas to keep Israel busy with them away from its borders.

So it can buy time to achieve nuclear weapons status. It's a big risk Iran chose to take.

If those other nations tried pursuing nuclear weapons they would be sanctioned likewise.

Lots of them support Hamas today and Hezbollah. They don't face crippling sanctions.

Which one of those nations is arming Hamas and Hezbollah?

Thats a small part of reason for sanctions but it's primarily the nuclear program.

Again, it's because of nuclear weapons programs.

Btw China, Russia, India, UAE, and Pakistan are doing a lot to help Iran circumvent sanctions.

You are right, it is not the only reason for sanctions but it is still a big reason. Nuclear program and ballistic missile development are other reasons for sanctions.

While Russia and Iran help a little to somewhat circumvent effects of sanctions, it is still suffering severely from suffocating sanctions.

 

[RescueRanger]

The more he opens his mouth, the more it will be difficult for him to even return to Iran let alone rule it lol

After spending many hours reading some of the pro Pahlavi supporters on Social Media a lot of their posts read like AI slop and bots.

 

[FuturePAF]

Arabs have been in more severe wars. They also had two Gulf wars with Saddam's Iraq.

This situation today is a lot less severe. Saddam was bigger threat to them than Iran.

Qatar, UAE, and even Saudi Arabia are on good terms with Iran today. But even if they got dragged it into it by the USA, they are more resilient and have better infrastructure than we think.

The only worry for Iran is lots of their domestic population are anti-regime. The government can withstand US strikes but if some people on the ground act up and start a civil war, that's the biggest worry for Iran.

This was not possible in Gaza because the domestic population is overwhelmingy pro-Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Which is why Israel and US tried their luck to expel the entire population into Egypt.

In Iran there is a lot of dissent which in my opinion is what is worrying the IRI not US/Israeli strikes.

They should have contingency plans like having national army take over country temporarily and some announcement of elections. Not sure they do.

Take into account Pakistani brothers and sisters lots of them aren't pro-IRI but we do not want instability on Pakistan's borders. Pakistan is familiar with IRI and they aren't afraid of IRI. But certainly don't want a civil war or refugees right next door.

So Arabs and Pakistan are most likely lobbying US against regime change.

US is moving aircraft carrier signaling to unilateral action is on table again. Against wishes of Arabs.

Because no neighbor of Iran is willing to work with the US, it means they will try weakening IRI through the air to try getting them to make concessions at negotiating table.

It's a skirmish not that serious it's appearing serious because IRI leadership is very calculated in a way that's doing more harm than good

If we have the example of the 78 day bombing campaign of Belgrade. Unlike Yugoslavia, which had by then been fragmented for years by then, Iran seems likely to stay unified, but that doesn’t mean instability may not continue in each of the cities for the coming weeks, following any bombing campaign.

The likely strategy is probably two prolonged; bombing Iran for days if not weeks, while Israel conducts a new campaign in Gaza. Bogging down the world into looking to stop the bombing of Iran, and distracting them and media coverage from the increased tempo of the massacre occurring in Gaza.