Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[PakAl]

I believe ALBMs were launched from Iraq and over Caspian through Azerbaijan. Drones were also launched from there. They took out the AD network and entered Iranian airspace.

So far haven't seen 1 video of Israeli planes in Iranian airspace, seen the drone video. Usa bombers/planes were not detected or seen when they bombed iran. But yes Israel does have the technology to fire missiles from far away, with pinpoint accuracy.

Seen this video of Israel destroying Iranian F14 planes (decoys), seems like from within Iranian airspace, not sure if its drone attack or F35s.

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According to some info Usa submarine also fired missiles at Iranian nuclear sites.

 

[Shags101]

According to Israeli sources or their experts opinion. Iran has 3000 missiles which can reach Israel, if Israel can shoot down atleast 70% then only 900 will reach their target. After this Iran will not be able to retaliate. This is what they're betting on.

That’s the hypothetical long range missiles Iran has many other ways to retaliate cruise missiles short range missiles drones what the 12 day war has shown is the limitations of air defense stocks they held off for about. A week before Iranian missiles and yes even drones were connecting reports said Israel has used up a few years of stock stock that’s not easily replaced so let’s say Israel and American forces can now withstand less than a week of prolonged bombing

 

[mangekyo]

I tend to think the days of the 'coalition of the willing' are gone and that American firepower alone is formidable enough against Iran--though the cost to the region / Israel are potentially too much for even America. So I don't see even if Macron is offering to help against Iran it would dissuade Trump from his Greenland adventure.

Similarly, I don't buy the theories by some seniors here that America is on an aggressive path to make the Europeans pay more for their defense. It is not 'America', it is 'Trump' who is pushing for such policies with possible guidance by the likes of Stephen Miller, one of his key advisors. Trump wants personal glory to be remembered as one of the Greatest American Presidents ever. That, IMO, is the No. 1 reason for his aggressive policies.

I agree. American firepower is enough but a war with Iran won’t be cheap. It would be an enormous victory for Trump if he could convince the euros to take much of the financial cost.

 

[kastor ville]

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[Meengla]

I agree. American firepower is enough but a war with Iran won’t be cheap. It would be an enormous victory for Trump if he could convince the euros to take much of the financial cost.

Who doesn't want free money?? But we already saw news of some European countries moving their 'assets' toward Iran. There is no 'hard bargain' between Greenland and Iran. Europeans are all too glad contribute their little bit to enjoy the larger benefits they have been getting from being part of the American sphere of influence, getting a lot of freebies from America. But things are changing rapidly when much more than a paltry contribution is asked of Europe. Macron can try to appease by being helpful against Iran but won't impress Trump. He really wants Greenland and, unless he is able to constrain Netanyahu's wishes, he may strike Iran.
Relevant to this thread is the bottomline: Netanyahu will not stop trying to destroy Iran as long as Trump is the President.

 

[ToddE]

Iranian military personnel are Muslims; Soleimani and all of them were believing soldiers, just like in the early days of Islam "mujjahideen".

Being muslim does not mean state should be one as well. Iran is Muslim because thats what our qizilbash empire chose the state religion to be (a mistake IMO). They could have turned the entire empire into religion-less had they wanted, they were a pseudo superpower of their time. Clinging to old identities mean nothing in modern world.

 

[Shags101]

Who doesn't want free money?? But we already saw news of some European countries moving their 'assets' toward Iran. There is no 'hard bargain' between Greenland and Iran. Europeans are all too glad contribute their little bit to enjoy the larger benefits they have been getting from being part of the American sphere of influence, getting a lot of freebies from America. But things are changing rapidly when much more than a paltry contribution is asked of Europe. Macron can try to appease by being helpful against Iran but won't impress Trump. He really wants Greenland and, unless he is able to constrain Netanyahu's wishes, he may strike Iran.
Relevant to this thread is the bottomline: Netanyahu will not stop trying to destroy Iran as long as Trump is the President.

Remember those stimulus checks but than government always gets it back some how nothing free

 

[Beast89]

Bolded part: Please watch the Trita Parsi video I posted yesterday. He is quoting an Israeli official saying that Israel cannot trust a unified Iran, which turned from friendly to hostile to friendly again to not turn hostile again. So the best outcome for Israel is a fragmented Iran along the lines of Libya or Syria.
That Israel tolerates American vassals states like Egypt or Jordan as unified may well be because there are already too many fronts to deal with, so save those states for later.

West want balkanisation, thats how they operate.

 

[mangekyo]

Who doesn't want free money?? But we already saw news of some European countries moving their 'assets' toward Iran. There is no 'hard bargain' between Greenland and Iran. Europeans are all too glad contribute their little bit to enjoy the larger benefits they have been getting from being part of the American sphere of influence, getting a lot of freebies from America. But things are changing rapidly when much more than a paltry contribution is asked of Europe. Macron can try to appease by being helpful against Iran but won't impress Trump. He really wants Greenland and, unless he is able to constrain Netanyahu's wishes, he may strike Iran.
Relevant to this thread is the bottomline: Netanyahu will not stop trying to destroy Iran as long as Trump is the President.

It will be easier for Trump to convince congress to declare war if he can show NATO is willing to take much of the financial burden and supply troops

 

[Beast89]

It will be easier for Trump to convince congress to declare war if he can show NATO is willing to take much of the financial burden and supply troops

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-883900

Jews are pushing the Greenland Issue for Trump

 

[ToddE]

Very good article about future IRGC ruled Iran with a symbolic Supreme Leader post Khamenei.

https://www.irananalytica.org/p/the-myth-of-an-irgc-coup

 

[Watandar]

Very good article about future IRGC ruled Iran with a symbolic Supreme Leader post Khamenei.

https://www.irananalytica.org/p/the-myth-of-an-irgc-coup

Thanks for the article. I had forgotten about substack. That platform is coming along well and now has very high quality content. I found another great article on how Iran rapidly rebuilt its destroyed facilities in the June 2025 war, surprising Israeli and Western observers who were expecting years of mileage from that war.

Why Israel Wants to Strike Again: Inside Iran's Expanding Missile Threat

Israeli officials are preparing to brief U.S.

axesandatoms.substack.com

 

[Shags101]

Very good article about future IRGC ruled Iran with a symbolic Supreme Leader post Khamenei.

https://www.irananalytica.org/p/the-myth-of-an-irgc-coup

…….kind of thought they were the main power but treat him like that grandpa they go along on certain things to make him feel like he’s relevant

 

[ToddE]

…….kind of thought they were the main power but treat him like that grandpa they go along on certain things to make him feel like he’s relevant

More and more you study this entire economic fiasco, more you start to understand how much IRGC's footprint can be seen in instigating this slow coup. Country earned 112 Billion USD worth export revenue (in Yuan/RMB/Barters) last year even with a bloody war, still had a trade surplus of close to 50 Billion USD yet central bank is showing deficits lol. Someone siphoned out the revenue so it never reached central bank. You know how to catch the culprit? the group that controls 30-40% of industrial economy and exports entirety of Iranian hydrocarbon through their owned one of the largest tanker oil fleet in the world ... the IRGC. They are entrenching themselves massively with growing war chest.

 

[Persian Gulf]

More and more you study this entire economic fiasco, more you start to understand how much IRGC's footprint can be seen in instigating this slow coup. Country earned 112 Billion USD worth export revenue (in Yuan/RMB/Barters) last year even with a bloody war, still had a trade surplus of close to 50 Billion USD yet central bank is showing deficits lol. Someone siphoned out the revenue so it never reached central bank. You know how to catch the culprit? the group that controls 30-40% of industrial economy and exports entirety of Iranian hydrocarbon through their owned one of the largest tanker oil fleet in the world ... the IRGC. They are entrenching themselves massively with growing war chest.

a trade surplus does not necessarily entail a budget surplus