Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

You've not seen what we're capable of.

You ethnically cleansed an entire continent. You nuked a country that was ready to surrender, twice. This is less than 1% of the evil you have commited on this planet. We know what you’re capable of.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Oh.

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So which country will they take off and land on for the attack?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

You ethnically cleansed an entire continent. You nuked a country that was ready to surrender, twice. This is less than 1% of the evil you have commited on this planet. We know what you’re capable of.

Which continent was that?

I am not going to rehash the debate on the use of the atomic bomb on Japan. That has been beaten to death enough. Japan had plenty of opportunity to surrender. The AAF killed more people in the fire bombings of Tokyo than were killed by the atomic bombs.

As I had posted here in other threads; perhaps you all would have preferred the war go into 1946 perhaps even 1947 (plans were drawn up for that contingency) with easily 1M+ additional US casualties and how many more Japanese?

 

[VCheng]

You've not seen what we're capable of.

Just let it go buddy. This is not the time and place, and MOST DEFINITELY not the crowd.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

So which country will they take off and land on for the attack?

Several of the GCC countries can support F-35 operations.

 

[Watandar]

Which continent was that?

I am not going to rehash the debate on the use of the atomic bomb on Japan. That has been beaten to death enough. Japan had plenty of opportunity to surrender. The AAF killed more people in the fire bombings of Tokyo than were killed by the atomic bombs.

As I had posted here in other threads; perhaps you all would have preferred the war go into 1946 perhaps even 1947 (plans were drawn up for that contingency) with easily 1M+ additional US casualties and how many more Japanese?

Please don't pretend America is some innocent or beneficent actor on the world stage. In the Mideast alone American coups, dictators, terrorists and direct war itself are the primary destabilizers and killers of the people going back 70 years.

however that is not the thread topic.

 

[Abid123]

Man, everyone has seen it

It's been decade after decade of one American war after another, some crazy adventure, sanctions, blackmail

The U.S has become a menace to humanity

Under Trump, Vance, Miller, Hegseth the American idiocy is just showing more, at the moment the world can't get a breath in before the U.S makes some stupid move or threat

It's incredibly tiresome

These same people cry about 9/11 all time btw.

 

[Watandar]

Things are getting bit too tense and stuffy! Here is bit of humor

—️// NEW: In response to the European Union designating the IRGC as a terrorist organization, Iran's Foreign Ministry will designate the German, French and British armed forces as terrorist organizations

Iran is also considering expelling the E3 ambassadors and closing their embassies.

@Middle_East_Spectator

 

[mangekyo]

To be fair I don’t think he personally bombed Nagasaki or Hiroshima and I’m fairly sure he wasn’t born than……Gulf war maybe maybe I know he’s in his 60?50? @AZ_HighCountry

He is bragging about «what they’re capable of» I’m telling him I know what they’re capable of. He’s probably getting an erection thinking about all the millions of innocent peoples blood he has on his hands

 

[Watandar]

He is bragging about «what they’re capable of» I’m telling him I know what they’re capable of. He’s probably getting an erection thinking about all the millions of innocent peoples blood he has on his hands

I doubt that. It's more likely the hyper nationalism that both American / Iranian cultures seem to possess. But let's move on.

 

[Shags101]

He is bragging about «what they’re capable of» I’m telling him I know what they’re capable of. He’s probably getting an erection thinking about all the millions of innocent peoples blood he has on his hands

I honestly don’t think so yeah he supports his troops doesn’t mean he has to agree with every dumb decision by the clown that is in office honestly he isn’t a bad guy he doesn’t want to see war as much as anyone else but he supports who he supports at least he’s upfront about it

 

[VCheng]

I doubt that. It's more likely the hyper nationalism that both American / Iranian cultures seem to possess. But let's move on.

I just hope direct conflict is avoided. Once emotions set in, reason departs, and that is never good for anyone.

Iran is a powerful and proud country that wants to respected for its positions. Whether they succeed in their efforts remains to be seen.

 

[mangekyo]

I doubt that. It's more likely the hyper nationalism that both American / Iranian cultures seem to possess. But let's move on.

I honestly don’t think so yeah he supports his troops doesn’t mean he has to agree with every dumb decision by the clown that is in office honestly he isn’t a bad guy he doesn’t want to see war as much as anyone else but he supports who he supports at least he’s upfront about it

For someone to come here and say «you don’t know what we’re capable of» after all the atrocities Americans have committed. Thats just demonic. But agreed, let’s move on.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I honestly don’t think so yeah he supports his troops doesn’t mean he has to agree with every dumb decision by the clown that is in office honestly he isn’t a bad guy he doesn’t want to see war as much as anyone else but he supports who he supports at least he’s upfront about it

Well, he is a MAGA supporter like Tucker Carlson, and don't want the US to waste so much energy for the sake of Israel.

The first priority for the MAGA supporters is to contain China's rise, and everything else is secondary.

Trump initially didn't want to focus on Iran either, but he is now risking to get bloodbathed in the incoming midterm, and now he needs to plead for Israel's help to let him to win the midterm.

 

[Persian Gulf]

if Iran wants to do a pre-emptive strike, it should focus on the US naval assets that would be used against Iran, since they are movable while military bases are not and can always be targeted later

there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, as of one week ago all five of them were in the Salman Port in Bahrain, 200km from Iran. all of these can be easily hit and taken out of commission for months using:

- UUVs / autonomous drone ships
- special ops divers with limpet mines
- torpedos launched from 20+ Ghadir submarines with 10-15km range
- air-launched anti-ship cruise missiles launched by F-4 jets from 200km stand off range
- land based anti-ship cruise missiles (Qader with 300km range)
- land based anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalije Fars, Hormoz-1/2 with 300km range, Zoheir with 500km range)
- drone swarms

or any combination of the above

the Lincoln CSG and its three destroyers are adjacent to Oman, in the north Arabian Sea, just under 700km from Iran.

these are much harder to hit. but (1) Fateh and (3) Kilo class submarines can hunt the three destroyers, supported by saturation Zolfaqar Basir ASBM (700km range) and Abu Mahdi ASCM (1000km) launches.

The IRGC-N has 4 Shahid Soleimani class corvettes which have very long range and can each carry 12x ASCMs (6x 200-300km range and 6x 750km range) = 48 ASCMs

IRGC-N also has 3 converted converter ships (Shahid Bagheri, Shahid Roudaki, and Shahid Mahdavi), which can each carry 12x ASCMs and 2x ASBMs (Zolfaqar Basir with 700km range)

Plus Shahed-136B has 4000km range

only need 1-2 good hits on these destroyers to take them out of commission for months, no need to sink them. once they are hit, the Abraham Lincoln carrier will be 'naked' and likely removed from the theatre. and these destroyers each have 96 VLS cells, with a large number of those used for offensive purposes, and with limited number of inventory. eventually, their inventory will be depleted and they will be defenceless or forced to evacuate the theatre to reload.

such a massive pre-emptive surprise attack would virtually remove almost all of the US' naval assets from the arena, severely disrupting the US' attack plans

and in the second phase all USAF assets in surrounding fixed military bases in Qatar (Al Udeid, to render it inoperable - it was already evacuated very easily by the US during the 12 day war) and Bahrain (Fifth Fleet HQ), and Jordan (US is amassing fighter jets here) can be severely damaged or rendered unusable due to constant threat of ASBM and drone attacks

then the US would only be able to use Tomahawk launches in relatively small numbers from much further out and low number of B-2 / F-35 sorties over Iran (risky)