Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ety]

China is willing to help, but China is coward for not directly fighting the US to protect Iran.

Yet some Iranians here think what we were responsible for intoxicating Iran with the Covid-19.

However, even most Chinese are questioning about the worthiness of helping Iran, the Chinese government is still willing to make the commitment for Iran.

Because they have been scored by Trump on Venezuela, and they don't want to lose more face on Iran.

It's not in China's national interest to fight US for other countries. Both Iran and VZ are not China's allies either formally or informally, why should China fight directly militarily against the superpower US for their sake ? the security of these two countries basically don't affect China's national security. China doesn't want WW III on its soil. The only foreign country if invaded by US that China will definitely send troops to fight the war is North Korea, a formal ally of China bound by treaty, NK is really critical for China's national security. Both Russia and Pakistan are China's informal allies, if invaded, China might get involved militarily to help them fight too as these two also concerns China's security.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I have not seen any assistance from Iran in the Russian military forum, and of course I will not believe Russia's unilateral statement. As for what the agreement between you is, including whether it includes sending troops to support, I do not think I can investigate.

One cargo plane was reported from Russia in early January.

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However, China has sent far more, yet people here still calling China coward.

 

[Immortals]

Not sure if this is posted.

Guess those 200 missiles at fortified targets weren’t a mistake assuming this isn’t AI photos. @Persian Gulf @Emirzad

Question is why did they seemingly abandon that strategy to go for soft targets for PR shock value? Is due to cadence drop from 200 down to 50 missiles down to 20 missile salvos? Because Israel retaliated against Iranian airforce targets?

If they would have been able to replicate this success across the bases at the very least they would have destroyed dozens of aircraft that were refueling and reloading and brought the sortie count down. Obviously no one is expecting complete elimination of sorties or airbases.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

It's not in China's national interest to fight US for other countries. Both Iran and VZ are not China's allies either formally or informally, why should China fight directly militarily against the superpower US for their sake ? the security of these two countries basically don't affect China's national security. China doesn't want WW III on its soil. The only foreign country if invaded by US that China will definitely send troops to fight the war is North Korea, a formal ally of China bound by treaty, NK is really critical for China's national security. Both Russia and Pakistan are China's informal allies, if invaded, China might get involved militarily to help them fight too as these two also concerns China's security.

The Chinese government won't let the sentiment from the populace to cloud their judgment.

They will send assistance to Iran, despite it doesn't get recognized by most PDF members.

However, they won't directly fight the US on behalf of Iran.

 

[Avicenna]

The US SSGN are pretty much over 40 years old, and its reactor needs to be retired nor its metallic hull can sustain anymore.

Stop turning this thread into a China bashing one, and focusing Iran and its related topics.

The intention isn't to bash China.

It's just to make the point that once Russia/Ukraine has been settled and Iran has been taken care of.....China is most likely the next target.

It may be in China's best interests to make sure others are distracted in other theaters.

Similiarly, the Iranians might use this to their advantage and obtain more help from the Chinese since they are pretty much alone.

Russia is not a reliable partner for Iran and this has been demonstrated over and over.

 

[kastor ville]

Yet the North Koreans can't even feed themselves without relying on China.

Even 100% support from North Korea still can't compare to 1% support from China.

Yep, the Chinese civilian drone companies have sold the critical components to both Russia and Ukraine. Since Russia is not China's ally, nor Ukraine is China's enemy.

However, the Chinese government is willing to make a commitment for Iran, but it didn't have any commitment for Russia.

Heck, we don't even expect any credit or recognition from you guys.

Enough about China...seriously, you're wasting bandwidth.
This thread is about Iran vs Israel

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The intention isn't to bash China.

It's just to make the point that once Russia/Ukraine has been settled and Iran has been taken care of.....China is most likely the next target.

It may be in China's best interests to make sure others are distracted in other theaters.

Similiarly, the Iranians might use this to their advantage and obtain more help from the Chinese since they are pretty much alone.

Russia is not a reliable partner for Iran and this has been demonstrated over and over.

- China knows that the US wants to put all resource to contain it after it deals with Iran and Russia.

- China does follow its commitment to support, and you can see the news with 16 cargo planes flew from China to Iran, and only 1 from Russia.

- However, most PDF members here are bashing China for doing too little.

We the Chinese military fans here have very little impact on the Chinese government decision, and once they want to assist Iran to fight back the US, no one can change their decision.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Similiarly, the Iranians might use this to their advantage and obtain more help from the Chinese since they are pretty much alone.

Russia is not a reliable partner for Iran and this has been demonstrated over and over.

Iran has been alone since the beginning of the 1979 revolution.

We don't need others for our wars.

We rely on the capabilities of our own people and God's help.

If China and Russia help Iran, it will be to their advantage, and if they don't help, it will be to their disadvantage.

Russia is paying the price for two decades flattery of western countries, and China will pay the price in future too.

 

[Avicenna]

- China knows that the US wants to put all resource to contain it after it deals with Iran and Russia.

- China does follow its commitment to support, and you can see the news with 16 cargo planes flew from China to Iran, and only 1 from Russia.

- However, most PDF members here are bashing China for doing too little.

We the Chinese military fans here have very little impact on the Chinese government decision, and once they want to assist Iran to fight back the US, no one can change their decision.

The last sentence is understood.

We are only armchair generals on here.

 

[StrategicBear]

Iran should make a Preemptive Strike now. Now is the time when Iran still hasn't lost most of their offensive capabilities yet. Drones, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, send those Genociders deep into the ocean and Natives, Palestinians and all others who died from US Bombs finally get Justice. Nothing makes the world happier than seeing a US Carrier burn and sink and see the aggressor finally gets a bloody nose.

Make America Go Away indeed (MAGA).

 

[hasn2009]

Do you Believe them? Turkey/Baku?

 

[hasn2009]

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if Iran wants to do a pre-emptive strike, it should focus on the US naval assets that would be used against Iran, since they are movable while military bases are not and can always be targeted later

there are five destroyers in the Persian Gulf, as of one week ago all five of them were in the Salman Port in Bahrain, 200km from Iran. all of these can be easily hit and taken out of commission for months using:

- UUVs / autonomous drone ships
- special ops divers with limpet mines
- torpedos launched from 20+ Ghadir submarines with 10-15km range
- air-launched anti-ship cruise missiles launched by F-4 jets from 200km stand off range
- land based anti-ship cruise missiles (Qader with 300km range)
- land based anti-ship ballistic missiles (Khalije Fars, Hormoz-1/2 with 300km range, Zoheir with 500km range)
- drone swarms

or any combination of the above

the Lincoln CSG and its three destroyers are adjacent to Oman, in the north Arabian Sea, just under 700km from Iran.

these are much harder to hit. but (1) Fateh and (3) Kilo class submarines can hunt the three destroyers, supported by saturation Zolfaqar Basir ASBM (700km range) and Abu Mahdi ASCM (1000km) launches.

The IRGC-N has 4 Shahid Soleimani class corvettes which have very long range and can each carry 12x ASCMs (6x 200-300km range and 6x 750km range) = 48 ASCMs

IRGC-N also has 3 converted converter ships (Shahid Bagheri, Shahid Roudaki, and Shahid Mahdavi), which can each carry 12x ASCMs and 2x ASBMs (Zolfaqar Basir with 700km range)

Plus Shahed-136B has 4000km range

only need 1-2 good hits on these destroyers to take them out of commission for months, no need to sink them. once they are hit, the Abraham Lincoln carrier will be 'naked' and likely removed from the theatre. and these destroyers each have 96 VLS cells, with a large number of those used for offensive purposes, and with limited number of inventory. eventually, their inventory will be depleted and they will be defenceless or forced to evacuate the theatre to reload.

such a massive pre-emptive surprise attack would virtually remove almost all of the US' naval assets from the arena, severely disrupting the US' attack plans

and in the second phase all USAF assets in surrounding fixed military bases in Qatar (Al Udeid, to render it inoperable - it was already evacuated very easily by the US during the 12 day war) and Bahrain (Fifth Fleet HQ), and Jordan (US is amassing fighter jets here) can be severely damaged or rendered unusable due to constant threat of ASBM and drone attacks

then the US would only be able to use Tomahawk launches in relatively small numbers from much further out and low number of B-2 / F-35 sorties over Iran (risky)

What do you think how long will it take the US to sink all of Iran Navy's surface fleet?

 

[mulj]

China is willing to help, but China is coward for not directly fighting the US to protect Iran.

Yet some Iranians here think what we were responsible for intoxicating Iran with the Covid-19.

However, even most Chinese are questioning about the worthiness of helping Iran, the Chinese government is still willing to make the commitm

The Chinese government won't let the sentiment from the populace to cloud their judgment.

They will send assistance to Iran, despite it doesn't get recognized by most PDF members.

However, they won't directly fight the US on behalf of Iran.

It is all what you are asked basically just scope and structure of help is debatable if it is substantial for giving Iran fighting chance.

 

[Hayabusa]

The Soviet Union is dead over 3 decades, and Russia can't even win the Ukrainian war without China.

Only China can provide the full supply chain for Russia to assemble million of drones and unlimited supply of legacy chips.

You guys can keep whining how China is not directly fighting the US on your behalf, but even the MAGA propagandists have confirmed that China is mobilizing a lot of cargo planes to assist Iran for the incoming invasion.




Yep, just keep bashing China, meanwhile China has to bypass all sanctions to come for rescue, just like Huawei has done last time.

This YouTube guy is full of crap. Calls Iran the steroid guy. USA is the one going around picking fights here as far as the world recalls. Just another propagandist.

 

[OldTwilight]

don't take china and Russia seriously...