Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Iran says that what America says in private negotiations and what they say publicly about their terms are different

I’m not so sure anymore. Iran has to say that to save face.

FBI leaks show that they were concerned that Israel had too much influence on Trump in his first term vis a vi his son-in-law Jared. And we see it right now, Jared was in Moscow meeting with Putin alongside Witkoff. He was in Israel meeting with Bibi about Gaza post war plan.

The problem for Iran is that Trump’s Middle East envoy is basically his son in law…his JEWISH son in law to add. I just don’t think Jared will allow Iran to keep any enrichment or accept even a cessation.

Plus both terms (no enrichment and no LR missiles) require heavy monitoring which means Iran will have to agree to U.S. inspectors on its soil access to even military facilities to verify there isn’t secret nuclear program happening.

The issue here is, Putin is getting favorable deal terms because despite losing tens of thousands of soldiers (maybe even hundreds depending on who you believe) it was due to him not budging and continuing the war that gained Trumps respect.

Iran never had that moment. Never went to war when Israel was genociding, never went to war when Nasrallah was killed, never went to war when Embassy was blown up. Didn’t go to war over Solemani. He doesn’t respect Iran’s leaders, you even heard him say this past month that Solemani was a tough man. Alluding that this leadership isn’t built the same.

It’s hard to see how Iran let red line and red line go unanswered can now get the U.S. to “fear” the consequences of asking for capitulation and potentially getting no deal.

 

[Immortals]

Yeah I still think pick axe could be their Trojan horse in plain sight but who knows like you say

It’s not as Trojan as you think. Because even if it’s hard or impossible to destroy, its entrances are vulnerable. And even the vibrations from the explosions can upset the centrifuges that are very delicate.

Plus all it does is bring Iran back somewhat to pre-June status quo, with enrichment that’s good for pissing off the West, but too obvious for a sprint to the nuke. Its uranium metal conversion facility (you need to take the enriched uranium and convert it into the uranium metal core for a bomb) was destroyed in Isfahan. So a pilot facility will need to be built or an existing area retrofitted to do the job.

The game theory on this is just a mess quite frankly.

 

[Takayoshi]

Was the blast in Bandar Abbas the result of death of IRGC Navy commodore? According to Wikipedia page for Alireza Tangsiri, he died today.

 

[Shags101]

It’s not as Trojan as you think. Because even if it’s hard or impossible to destroy, its entrances are vulnerable. And even the vibrations from the explosions can upset the centrifuges that are very delicate.

Plus all it does is bring Iran back somewhat to pre-June status quo, with enrichment that’s good for pissing off the West, but too obvious for a sprint to the nuke. Its uranium metal conversion facility (you need to take the enriched uranium and convert it into the uranium metal core for a bomb) was destroyed in Isfahan. So a pilot facility will need to be built or an existing area retrofitted to do the job.

The game theory on this is just a mess quite frankly.

More that people thinking it’s not functional when it’s actually been functional all along and enrichment has been ongoing and now the bomb is coming……I know that’s most likely not true but a brother can dream

 

[Bahrami]

 

[Shags101]

So you do know the farther away they actually are the better it is to defend against an Iranian attack and harder for Iran to see an attack coming the farther away they are but I’m just spitting out stuff could be fake news unless anyone can confirm it

 

[tsunset]

Was the blast in Bandar Abbas the result of death of IRGC Navy commodore? According to Wikipedia page for Alireza Tangsiri, he died today.

This is all fake news, Iran never hides its martyrs, the wikipedia is being edited by AngloJew NAFO shills, it got removed because of the lack of source

Only civilians died in the gas leak

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Around 2am Iran time all is quiet which means not going to happen this weekend I think when the 2nd carrier is in position then the weekend proceeding its arrival we'll likely see something.

What 2nd CSG?

I've not been following this too closely.

 

[Shags101]

What 2nd CSG?

I've not been following this too closely.

Reports indicate that another carrier, the USS George H.W. Bush, is expected to deploy in the coming months, though it is currently finishing training.

I think he’s jumping the gun there

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

What can Iran possibly offer to the Americans to stop the war? Handing over enriched uranium? Ceasing the civil Iranian nuclear program? Curbing the number and range of its ballistic missiles? End its support for the Houthis and Hezbollah? Abandoning Iraq? Would the IRI leadership accept a dictated peace? Is the IRGC ready for its Treaty of Versailles?

It doesn't make sense to me unless they genuinely and truly have surrendered.

Never has an imbalance and surrender of defensive or offensive capabilities resulted in lasting peace. It's most stark examples lie in native Indian and US treaties... that were not worth the paper they were written on... it resulted in them being routed later...
Who's to guarantee Iranian or its population's survival once they have lost all abilities to defend themselves... handicapped and donned a straight jacket?
Relegated to another Mahmood Abbas and PLO status till the time comes to undo political borders.

Ones refusing to make hard choices are digging holes for their own children and posterity!

Ask any Palestinian now what they'd give to turn the clock back some 60 odd years with even greater losses back then for freedom and security today?

Yet they face genocide for the compromises they made.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Reports indicate that another carrier, the USS George H.W. Bush, is expected to deploy in the coming months, though it is currently finishing training.

I think he’s jumping the gun there

Thanks. I rarely track ship movements.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I’m not so sure anymore. Iran has to say that to save face.

FBI leaks show that they were concerned that Israel had too much influence on Trump in his first term vis a vi his son-in-law Jared. And we see it right now, Jared was in Moscow meeting with Putin alongside Witkoff. He was in Israel meeting with Bibi about Gaza post war plan.

The problem for Iran is that Trump’s Middle East envoy is basically his son in law…his JEWISH son in law to add. I just don’t think Jared will allow Iran to keep any enrichment or accept even a cessation.

Plus both terms (no enrichment and no LR missiles) require heavy monitoring which means Iran will have to agree to U.S. inspectors on its soil access to even military facilities to verify there isn’t secret nuclear program happening.

The issue here is, Putin is getting favorable deal terms because despite losing tens of thousands of soldiers (maybe even hundreds depending on who you believe) it was due to him not budging and continuing the war that gained Trumps respect.

Iran never had that moment. Never went to war when Israel was genociding, never went to war when Nasrallah was killed, never went to war when Embassy was blown up. Didn’t go to war over Solemani. He doesn’t respect Iran’s leaders, you even heard him say this past month that Solemani was a tough man. Alluding that this leadership isn’t built the same.

It’s hard to see how Iran let red line and red line go unanswered can now get the U.S. to “fear” the consequences of asking for capitulation and potentially getting no deal.

it's also because Trump has a weird fetish with nuclear weapons since his uncle was a nuclear scientist and told him nuclear weapons are the most powerful thing ever when he was a kid

the next war is the IRI's last chance is to fight to secure its existence, we will see what happens. but to go out without using Khorramshahr missiles or deploying all the Resistance at once or sending thousands of drones to all Persian Gulf oil facilities would be very strange

from Rubio's recent speech about a post-Khamenei Iran it seems they want to replicate the Venezuela playbook and work with a successor, but Iran has many competing factions that are all loyal to the system, so I don't think this can work unless one faction become much more powerful than the others

 

[Persian Gulf]

Was the blast in Bandar Abbas the result of death of IRGC Navy commodore? According to Wikipedia page for Alireza Tangsiri, he died today.

show us this wikipedia page that says this.

 

[Persian Gulf]

So you do know the farther away they actually are the better it is to defend against an Iranian attack and harder for Iran to see an attack coming the farther away they are but I’m just spitting out stuff could be fake news unless anyone can confirm it

also means harder to conduct as many sorties over Iran, so it's a trade off

 

[Persian Gulf]