Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Homajon]

He probably just fell for the propaganda like many people here, probably not his original ideas

You know that's not true.

 

[Homajon]

Many Turks (the people) dont agree with Trump and defend Iran in this conflict. @vizier is one of our Turkish friends here.

They defend Iran not because of the facts on the ground, but because Erdogan acts like he is defending Iran. If he tomorrow says something different, Turks will also act different, even if the facts on the ground show the opposite.

Never forget who the snake is!

www.defencepk.com/forums/threads/israel-gets-70-of-its-oil-from-turkey-azarbaijan-and-kasakhstan.28680/

 

[Tsubasa]

They defend Iran not because of the facts on the ground, but because Erdogan acts like he is defending Iran. If he tomorrow says something different, Turks will also act different, even if the facts on the ground show the opposite.

Never forget who the snake is!

www.defencepk.com/forums/threads/israel-gets-70-of-its-oil-from-turkey-azarbaijan-and-kasakhstan.28680/

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The Turks would never tolerate the dismemberment of Iran not out of affection for the mullahs, but because a Balkanized Iran, fragmented into mini-states, is exactly what the West (and above all Israel plus the usual suspects) has cherished for decades as a wet dream. Small, weak, easily blackmailed and exploited satellite states in the Middle East that can be steered at will by drones, sanctions, or bought generals.

The Turks know that a weak but unified Iran is still better than a collection of small states, all clamoring for NATO protection.

 

[kastor ville]

But Israel is irrelevant here. Unless you believe Israel is the one who's actually pulling the strings in the U.S?

Umm.....of course!
It's a simple fact....they bought off congress, with that laws pass, they control the media, so they shape the narrative, they run the think tanks, so their policy flows to through the Pentagon and the WH. They own Hollywood...so Muslim are always the crazy, wahabbi...They own big finance, so they bankroll all their allies in all arenas of business, and so on....etc. These are the levers of power.

 

[kastor ville]

Jews are just useful idiots. MIC is the real power behind the scenes. It is MIC who steer US foreign policy through AIPAC, and push for endless military aid to Israel that has to be spent on US weapons and tech. That tech gets used on Palestinians who are basically lab rats for MIC, sold later as “combat-tested,” and the profits flow back into the same companies and donors. It's the forever war model. Israel is just a military project to destabilize the M.E, justifiy US presence in the M.E, test illegal tech on humans and keep the flow of petro-dollars.

Do you really thing a bunch of retards who think they are gods chosen people, didn't even have a country until recently, can barely pass a budget, and leaks constantly, somehow secretly runs the by far most powerful military, economy, intelligence apparatus, and bureaucracy in human history?

This was true in the 1960-1970s.....no longer true, Black Rock, Vanguard, and State Street owns the MIC and the zios control all 3.

 

[Immortals]

Trump isn’t falling for it:

 

[Homajon]

The Turks know that a weak but unified Iran is still better than a collection of small states, all clamoring for NATO protection.

Like weak Turkey is clamoring for NATO protection:

Turkey in NATO - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Immortals]

3_4 Years ago, they attacked 14 Iranian tankers, and Iran attacked 12 of their tankers, and then the conflict ended.

You forget to add the part where:

Iranian oil exports also fell to less than 300,000 barrels per day, as even China curbed imports.

The only reprieve was that China started buying back more once Trump lost re-election and democrats came back to power.

 

[Immortals]

The Turks know that a weak but unified Iran is still better than a collection of small states, all clamoring for NATO protection.

Has nothing to do with this. Turkey would love for Azerbaijan to get unified with Iran’s Azeri region (North and South reunion), but the dangers to this Turkic fantasy is that Balkanization of Iran frees up Iranian Kurdistan. This could risk that Iranian Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan and Turkey’s Kurdistan all unite to build a Kurdish nation spanning currently across 4 nations and the middle east.

That is the true reason that Turkey doesn’t want Balkanization of Iran, because it could have a domino effect and give rise to a Kurdish nation, something that Turkey has spent decades repressing.

 

[mangekyo]

This was true in the 1960-1970s.....no longer true, Black Rock, Vanguard, and State Street owns the MIC and the zios control all 3.

If you check their transaction, all of them have PGCC fingerprints. PGCC is selling oil to china and recycling Chinese money back into U.S economy through PG sovereign funds. Go check who owns Port Arthur, one of the few refineries in the U.S that can refine Venezuelan crude. Israels GDP to debt ratio grew more than 10% after the 12 day war but the stock markets increased. Where is all that capital coming from? It's coming from UAE. FIC has become transnational, why do you think Trump is devaluing the dollar? They are hedging U.S globally and tearing Israel apart.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Tsubasa]

Has nothing to do with this. Turkey would love for Azerbaijan to get unified with Iran’s Azeri region (North and South reunion), but the dangers to this Turkic fantasy is that Balkanization of Iran frees up Iranian Kurdistan. This could risk that Iranian Kurdistan, Iraqi Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan and Turkey’s Kurdistan all unite to build a Kurdish nation spanning currently across 4 nations and the middle east.

That is the true reason that Turkey doesn’t want Balkanization of Iran, because it could have a domino effect and give rise to a Kurdish nation, something that Turkey has spent decades repressing.

Turkey is blocking the Balkanization of Iran because it wants Irans stability as a buffer, as a trading partner, as a predictable rival. Not because an Turkic dream would be so appealing, but because disintegration creates chaos that Turkey cannot manage. The Kurdish card is real, but it has become secondary compared to the bigger picture, stable mullah-led Iran is better than a puzzle of mini-states in which everything explodes, Kurds or not.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Trump isn’t falling for it:

did you expect him to say something else

 

[Immortals]

The Kurdish card is real, but it has become secondary compared to the bigger picture, stable mullah-led Iran is better than a puzzle of mini-states in which everything explodes, Kurds or not.

The explosion is risk is strictly tied to the Kurds as they would be the biggest benefactor. The Azeris would if anything strengthen their ties to Turkey and Azeribajian. The Arabs of Ahwaz would align more closer to Iraqis. And the Baluchis of the southeast are not a threat for Turkey but for Pakistans own border regions.

Again the main concern here for Turkey is that the next “western” operation after the fall of iran would be the creation of a large Kurdish state to act as a bulwark against any Ottoman Aspirations the Turks may have. And the one leading this engineering would be none other than the other artificial state in the region —Israel.

So Turkey’s entire goal here is its own self preservation, as the fall of Iran is akin to the fall of Syria for Iran —the next project would be the creation of a Kurdistan which Turkey views as existential to its long term power projection.

Iran has distracted Israel and U.S. for decades while keeping the focus off of Turkey and the Arabs. A fallen Iran means heightened focus on the next “problem” states in the region by the West. Turkey stands out as one of those problem states as it doesn’t completely toe the Western/Israeli line. Qatar can also be another problem state as its harboring of Hamas leadership will be called into question as it sits on massive gas reserves that the Europeans so desperately crave.

For better for worse Iran was the problem child that kept the West distracted, when that problem child is dealt with then the focus becomes on the other children in the family.