Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

under 2015 deal Iran never suspended enrichment of uranium in Iran for even one day

Iran hasn’t enriched in over 7 months. The enrichment train is leaving the station.

Technically if US allows Iran a pilot facility to enrich to 20% of 100 centrifuges then Iran can claim they are still allowed to enrich.

Hard to tell how these negotiations will go, but Iran’s post June red lines are no longer realistic as it doesn’t have many cards to play.

 

[Bharatah]

Iran hasn’t enriched in over 7 months. The enrichment train is leaving the station.

Technically if US allows Iran a pilot facility to enrich to 20% of 100 centrifuges then Iran can claim they are still allowed to enrich.

Hard to tell how these negotiations will go, but Iran’s post June red lines are no longer realistic as it doesn’t have many cards to play.

Iran's nuclear program (now) is clandestine, and it probably continues enriching uranium.

Note that, as I warned there wouldn't be total war, now the narrative of an "agreement" has begun, which is also fake. This is happening because the CIA and Mossad can't wage classic warfare, they can't wage hybrid warfare, they can't find someone to deliver an Ayatollah (like Maduro was delivered by the Venezuelan military), so the negotiation tactic aims to try to implant tracking devices in Iranian diplomats to locate military personnel, bases, etc., for a media attack.

 

[mangekyo]

I have been hearing this talk since 2000. U.S. is still the super power of the world. U.S. companies are still the dominant global companies that power the world. Especially as European growth has stagnated. As Chinese growth has slowed.

US companies are spending 400B+ dollars on the AI Superintelligence trade this year alone. That is the next technological revolution and the only two competing is US vs China. While China has the advantage of ample power generation, US has the chip advantage.

I am not sure how you think the U.S. will fade into England like status when Microsoft, SpaceX, Nvidia, Apple, AMD, Meta, Google, Amazon, and hundreds of other U.S. companies control such a strong part of the global economy and technological IP. The world is heavily integrated into Western technological ecosystem. Even Iran that calls America the Great Devil is powered by Microsoft OS (including its military btw) and its domestic population is obsessed with Apple products.

The U.S. empire may be decaying (as is natural) but it controls most of the world’s most lucrative companies. Its downfall could take centuries, a timeline that far exceeds our lives.

It means they are abandoning the forever war model and moving into an investment based model. The companies you named are american, but they don’t work for America. They work for their shareholders. They don’t care where the capital is coming from as long as it keeps flowing. And the investment based model will bring in more capital flow than the forever war model.

 

[mulj]

Any negotiations which do not include removing all sanctions and removing IRGRC from list of terrorist organisations are not serious and should be Iran's red line.
So far for me this looks to me as fog of war and buying more time from americans to build up their offensive and defensive assets in region before war to contain iranian response when war starts.

 

[kastor ville]

The military under previous governments might not have been inclined to cause indiscriminate mass destruction trump on the other hand if he thinks the war isn’t going his way I don’t think the job would even hesitate sending the rest of the Moab all over Iran it’s that or sending hundreds of thousands of American soldiers to invade Iran they did it with Japan to prevent a deadly land invasion I don’t think trump wants another Iraq Afghanistan or Vietnam he wants a beautiful big victory

Trump needs to get a declaration of war from Congress...... He will not be able to put one single boot on the ground in Iran without their approval.
And obviously he has shown us he doesn't want a prolonged war.

 

[kastor ville]

Shamkhani sets out Iran's redlines:

- negotiations limited to the nuclear file

- Iran must enrich uranium up to 20%, but it can dilute the 60% HEU down to 20%

zero compromise

good

Hmm, I don't know about that..... I think it's best to offer Trump a moratorium on enrichment for a few years. This way he gets his win, and we keep our options open....we will stay firm on keeping the facilities intact, in other words, we will not dismantle the enrichment halls...but we can lock them down and have IAEA inspect.

 

[mulj]

Iran has huge copper reserves and among largest known in world and that metal for future is more important then oil, i think that is also one of the reason why it will be attacked, simply Iran is to rich to be left alone or manage its wealth independently.

 

[kastor ville]

Assad lost his country to a surprise attack because he agreed to a ceasefire with HTS.
Nasrallah was killed in a surprise attack during negotiations to accept Israel's false ceasefire proposal.
Iran suffered a surprise attack during negotiations with Europe, resulting in the slaughter of its military leaders.
Seeing such foolish behavior persist—failing to learn from repeated failures and still pursuing negotiations, Trump simply cannot stop. Anti war factions everywhere actually want the enemy nation to adopt a hardline stance. Otherwise, they cannot convince hardline leaders or domestic public opinion that war demands a heavy price.
MAGA, which opposed war precisely because Iran wasn't taking a hardline stance, has now fallen completely silent.

That's easy for you to say. You're not in Iran. Iran is alone, and unfortunately it has played a foolish strategy. The supreme leader is not a chess master, and he has steered Iran in the wrong direction. And now Iranians have to deal with the fallout.. If we are to keep Iran intact, we must make a deal, a deal that will let us come back and beat back our enemy at another time. We have no money....we have no Nato on our side, we have to understand that we are in a bad position. But, if we play our cards right, we can come out of this. The US is playing tough, but we all know they don't want a war....they cannot afford a war. Thanks to our Muslim breatherns that paid for those costly wars with their lives.
So, we must approach this with caution, let them know, we are ready to go to war.......a real war, a war that will not spare any country in the region, if they attack us. But at the same time offer an off ramp, so Trump can look like a winner......end of story. Sometimes the bad guys win.

 

[ToddE]

For those who know, IRI has got P5+1/E3+3 replaced with a group of regional countries who won't go against IRI for multi-fold reasons, unlike E3+3. IRI entered talks with US through P5+1/E3+3 (4/6 members staunch anti Iran) with ~3 MBPD production, exports worth 60-70 Billion USD, defense budget of 7 Billion USD, may be ~700 S/MR BM/CM and 3.5% enrichment capacity.
IRI is now talking to US through bunch of regional countries (none inherently anti Iran) with 5+ MBPD production, exports worth 115 Billion USD, defense budget of 40 Billion USD, 3000+ MR/IR/Hypersonic BM/CM, 60% HEU capacity. What exactly changed except for more entrenchment?

Question for us Iranians, who started this coup or policy change inside Iran around 2018-2020 to look more inward (anti Soleimani policies) ?

 

[Xerxes22]

Is there any chance for this to happen. If yes, then everything is well and truly finished.

 

[VCheng]

the US might launch an attack on Iran tonight(Sunday Night Iranian Time).

The probability is 90% now

So, any updates on this 90% certainty of an attack?

 

[VCheng]

Iran said no to total dismantlement of nuclear program

But said yes to cap uranium enrichment

And negotiations are still ongoing, so who knows where it might all end up after all?

 

[Watandar]

That's easy for you to say. You're not in Iran. Iran is alone, and unfortunately it has played a foolish strategy. The supreme leader is not a chess master, and he has steered Iran in the wrong direction. And now Iranians have to deal with the fallout.. If we are to keep Iran intact, we must make a deal, a deal that will let us come back and beat back our enemy at another time. We have no money....we have no Nato on our side, we have to understand that we are in a bad position. But, if we play our cards right, we can come out of this. The US is playing tough, but we all know they don't want a war....they cannot afford a war. Thanks to our Muslim breatherns that paid for those costly wars with their lives.
So, we must approach this with caution, let them know, we are ready to go to war.......a real war, a war that will not spare any country in the region, if they attack us. But at the same time offer an off ramp, so Trump can look like a winner......end of story. Sometimes the bad guys win.

Agree with your post. The problem is Israel and its repulsive influence on the US. If the Israelis see a deal advancing they are likely to again launch an attack and then drag the US into the war. It's the Israelis who are demanding the impossible conditions from the US vis a vis the ballistic missile program and I don't think the GOP is at the point where Obama was in his second term, where the Dem party just pushed the establishment aside on Iran and Cuba.

So I think it's possible we still see some fireworks and then a deal is made later this year or next, once the GOP realizes there isn't a military or CIA solution to Iran.

 

[tsunset]

And negotiations are still ongoing, so who knows where it might all end up after all?

US is still probably stubborn and forcing with its total surrender terms

Missiles should be ready to crush the pedophilian threat

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Is there any chance for this to happen. If yes, then everything is well and truly finished.

Agreeing to one demand means they will move onto making the second demand. So, it'll be back to square one, keeping Iran under pressure perpetually.

They should not be in a position to make any demands or at least, Iran has such a backing from China/Russia that it can withstand any US/EU demands.

Iran, for whatever reason has voluntarily agreed to stringent IAEA monitoring. It's baffling.