Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[HAIDER]

 

[Immortals]

Honestly I felt he was over the top fake on the extreme “right” and than after he disappeared another guy popped up with the same style of writing as him over the top fake extreme “left” that user wasn’t on for very long.

Whoever he was he had a severe mental illness. No one sits and write pages of propaganda to 20 random people in an obscure forum.

His alternate ego account was either another user making an alt account to mock him or it was indeed himself trying to clean up his extremist viewpoints that got him in trouble to begin with.

 

[Wudangmaster2]

Whoever he was he had a severe mental illness. No one sits and write pages of propaganda to 20 random people in an obscure forum.

His alternate ego account was either another user making an alt account to mock him or it was indeed himself trying to clean up his extremist viewpoints that got him in trouble to begin with.

I'm leaning toward being a parody or satire account by someone else; I remember being much amused by some of that alter ego's posts.

 

[ety]

What about Pakistan?

Currently, North Korea is the only formal ally of China that it is bound by treaty to defend if invaded by say US, I can't imagine that China will let US army occupy NK and critically threaten China's security. Pakistan and Russia are the only two unspoken informal allies of China, their securities are also concerns for China's national security, so if they are invaded like say Russia invaded by NATO or Pakistan invaded by India, Chinese military might get involved to help them fight too, I can't imagine that China including military will just stand idly by. As for Vietnam, I wouldn't say today it's critical for China's national security but very important so Chinese military intervention is not very likely just in case. And as for all other countries bordering China, it may view they also concern China's security to varying degrees, and I would imagine China would intervene in some ways if they are invaded. All the countries in the far away places of the world basically don't affect China's security and therefore likely non-interventions.

 

[Immortals]

Looks like we are back to Oman



Iran cannot make up its mind. Doesn’t look good changing venues last second and now negotiating if other FMs are allowed. Who is running the ship in Tehran?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

there will be no deal

neither party has budged even a little bit on their original positions

war is inevitable

Perhaps not...
I must say... things seem to have gone awry and new factors have surfaced. The Chinese and Russians showed up right on time for the exercises...

Some anti ship stuff makes area denial very plausible and necessitates CSGs to keep a distance or face the potential for catastrophic losses.
It may yet be averted...

Only need to keep the guard up...

 

[Eşbah]

Looks like we are back to Oman



Iran cannot make up its mind. Doesn’t look good changing venues last second and now negotiating if other FMs are allowed. Who is running the ship in Tehran?

Just checked some Turkish sources. It might not matter to the average Iranian but this last minute move left many decision-makers in Ankara taken aback.

I don't think this was a smart move.



However, it seems like there's also an internal power struggle going on in Iran right now. This conflict is not limited to the general populace but seems to extend into the upper circles of the power structure withinthe system as well.

 

[SolarWarden]

This is all theater by Orangeman who is buying time for the forces he needs to carry out the massive decapitation strike. It probably makes Iran leadership hesitate to maybe even preempt a strike of their own if talks are still on the table.

 

[hasn2009]

Just checked some Turkish sources. It might not matter to the average Iranian but this last minute move left many decision-makers in Ankara taken aback.

I don't think this was a smart move.



However, it seems like there's also an internal power struggle going on in Iran right now. This conflict is not limited to the general populace but seems to extend into the upper circles of the power structure withinthe system as well.

I don't see anything wrong with it, Iran would be a fool to trust Turkey in this.

 

[hussain0216]

This is all theater by Orangeman who is buying time for the forces he needs to carry out the massive decapitation strike. It probably makes Iran leadership hesitate to maybe even preempt a strike of their own if talks are still on the table.

Preemptive strike is stupid

Let the U.S start the war and take responsibility for any and all fallout

 

[hasn2009]

Preemptive strike is stupid

Let the U.S start the war and take responsibility for any and all fallout

Agreed, Iran can only prepare. They need to harden their defenses, secure their leadership and infrastructure and stay vigilent, and get rid of the spies and sabotage element. And unleash hell on first enemy incursion.

 

[hussain0216]

Agreed, Iran can only prepare. They need to harden their defenses, secure their leadership and infrastructure and stay vigilent, and get rid of the spies and sabotage element. And unleash hell on first enemy incursion.

The war is going to be painful and is going to have consequences for the U.S, it's presence in the mid east and multiple other nations

You want those consequences to be the fault of the U.S and U.S alone

You don't want to trigger a war because of some preemptive nonsense that probably won't achieve anything




Let negotiations happen

Iran should be willing to negotiate another JCPOA or whatever it was called

Absolutely Nothing should be given up on its missile front, that's how Iran defends itself

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Pak-Warrior]

More Assets being transferred to Middleeast

Whenever Trump is asked about Iran, he says we have very big and powerful ships heading towards Iran. But the CSG is already in place for several days, are they sending more ships? If that's the case then Iran is just waiting for them to set all of their pieces & assets in place, do complete strategy and hit at the right moment. Just like Iraq waited in both gulf wars, Iraq let all the enemy forces settle down and come in place and then it was game over. There's no guarantee that talks and everything else is just time buying techniques.

What Iran can/should do:

Iran wants to avoid war and de-escalate the situation. But you cannot de-escalate or avoid war when your enemy want to see you dead. You simply can't.

Now best Iran can do is to disrupt the deployments and enemy and not let them in a position to strike. Don't let the enemy organize into strike ready position.

Doing a pre-emptive strike / attacking the CSG with everything that Iran got is not an option as it will result in severe response from US, destroying all Iranian infrastructure. So what is the option here? I think the option is as long as there is no american causality that means there is still a way for de-escalation and still a way out for off-ramp. So what Iran can do is fire warning shots away from CSG. Means firing its cheap / old stock of missiles or even shahed drones at some kilometers offset of the CSG. Even if directed at CSG, they will intercept everything but you don't want to look like hitting them. You are doing this as a warning shots. The CSG will likely not take any risk and the destroyers will fire their SM-2 missiles to knock down those incoming vectors. The carrier will also as a precautionary measure will have to fly all of its aircrafts. This is a hectic exercise which bleeds energy and resources of the the CSG. Good thing is missiles fired by destroyers cannot be refilled at sea. So if Iran manages to empty the silos of destroyers then the carrier will have to go further away as it needs protection. Also how about when aircrafts land back, you fire another volley, so they have to fly again. This tiring process will not let settle CSG down. There will be no american casuality yet they will lose resources (air defense missiles) and above all the disruption caused. They will not into position to accurately do what they are planning to do. Problem with Iraq, Iran is that they never create even any disruptions while enemy is surrounding them and placing all their pieces & assets in attacking strategy. The important thing is that Iran must convey before its "warning shots" that our strikes are meant to cause no american casuality, but if US carry out strikes then our next strikes will be targeted. Warfare is not only at technology level but also at psychological level. You need to make them believe that you are ready to inflict severe costs on US no matter what. Remember, if you let americans settle properly and let them do the first major strikes then those strikes will ensure that Iran could not respond back at the CSG. Meaning they will target your missiles directed towards persian gulf & arabian sea.

So I think Iran should start disruption activities and don't play in the rules set by the enemy but make the rules of the game themselves. Its extremely important at this stage.

@Persian Gulf

 

[StrategicBear]

I am in favor of IRGC doing preemptive strikes if it can be framed or blamed on them. Flip the narrative playbook and use their weapon(false flag) against them.