Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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Chief of Staff of Iranian Armed Forces Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi during 22 Bahman celebrations

 

[Persian Gulf]

Rear Admiral and leading advisor to Khamenei, Ali Shamkhani seems to have made a full recovery from injuries sustained during the 12 day war with Israel

 

[Persian Gulf]

Commander of IRGC Quds Force Brigadier General Esmaeil Qaani

 

[Persian Gulf]

huge turnout of Iranians on 22 Bahman

 

[Michael]

If Iran goes down the whole Middle East with its oil resources will be in Israeli-US control. They’ve already taken control of Venezuela. China will be at the mercy of Netanyahu, who will show no mercy to China.

If China doesn’t step in at this point then their dreams of being a great power will be gone.

Don't spout nonsense if you don't understand. You should learn some basic common sense before making these analyses.

Let’s do a rough calculation of the potential bonanza for US-Israel in case of a war.

With all the Middle East in US-IsraelI control after a devastating war, let’s say the price of oil goes to $200/barrel. It will become profitable for US companies to invest heavily in Venezuela while at the moment it is unprofitable at the current price of $69. The biggest deposits in the world will be at US disposal. They will also control the Middle Eastern oil.

China imported 4.2 billion barrels of oil in 2025 costing them $290 billion. With the price at $200/barrel their import bill will triple to $870 billion. That will be an extra cost of $580 billion per year or almost $6 trillion in 10 years.

All those extra trillions of dollars worth of oil will be sold in US dollars, which will stabilize the US dollar. The puppet regimes will be forced to invest those petrodollars in buying US bonds at very low interest rates. That will lower US interest payments and reduce the budget deficit. Trillions will be spent by the puppets to rebuild their countries for which contracts will go to US-IsraelI companies.

There’s a lot of money to be made by the ‘Epstein Class’ from a war on Iran. Unless, the potential victims step in a try to save themselves. Everyone in the world is a potential victim because all those trillions of dollars are going to be extracted from the whole world, including US citizens in the form of high energy prices.

You should seriously learn more useful knowledge and smoke less marijuana.

 

[Michael]

USA puts herself in the corner , if she start war and take damage and can't achieve it's goal in limited time window , it's military hegemony will weaken against both Russia and China...

If the war continue more than a week ( which is more likely to happen ), USA will target civilian infrastructures to at least show force and scare others to not disobey her ...

IR won't care about Iranian people and will fight to bitter end .

If this war continue for a month , The real victor will be China and Russia...

The ultimate loser will be Iranians .


That why both Russia and China didn't let IR to armed with nukes ....

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I didn't want war with USA and I didn't want to Iran be sacrificed for sake of China and Russia , so I wanted nukes to Iran to be able have normal relationship with the west .

but even in this site the agent of Russia and china were firmly against Iran getting nukes and we're push some lunatic in Iran toward war with usa to turn Iran to karballa ( start losing battle and die-matayered- in process )

Frankly speaking, the Chinese take no position on the Iran-Israel/US issue. We are merely observers.

China does indeed have a competitive relationship with the US. But this is not a reason for China to support Iran. ------ China has a military alliance treaty with North Korea, but China does not provide military support to North Korea.

If Iran does not want Chinese military support, it's simple: just treat China as an ordinary country and don't place too much expectation on it. We also believe that the Iranians are capable of facing these issues independently.

If the Iranians hope to obtain Chinese military support, it's also simple: you need to first study the Chinese way of thinking. There's a Chinese idiom, "投名状." If our Iranian friends can deeply understand this idiom, it will be easy to obtain Chinese military support.

As for Iran's nuclear weapons issue, from an open diplomatic perspective, China certainly will not support Iran possessing nuclear weapons. In practical terms, China will not excessively oppose it. Simply put, we have no stance on this.

In our view, the Iranian military and government have never truly wanted to possess nuclear weapons. They are only pursuing nuclear weapons as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the West.

 

[Mehdipersian]

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what the hell is this bot farm? this is some absolutely random OSINT page that posts low quality info and his comments are full of these help iran comments
you can keep scrolling and they all say the same thing.
Is this some troll farm out of Israel or India?

Ai comments from Israel
Check out this one:

He is Pahlavi collaborator.

 

[StrategicBear]

Currently China relies on oil not only from Iran but all Arab countries in the Middle East. What happens if after Iran falls to the USA and no obstacles left after that results in USA now telling all Arab countries and the New Iranian Regime to STOP SELLING OIL to China?

Will China finally go to war with the USA in that hypothetical future if the USA uses its Puppet Regimes in the Middle East to cease selling oil to China? Following the same path Japan took in WW2 because USA blockaded supplies/sales of critical resources to Japan?

 

[wangdefa]

Frankly speaking, the Chinese take no position on the Iran-Israel/US issue. We are merely observers.

China does indeed have a competitive relationship with the US. But this is not a reason for China to support Iran. ------ China has a military alliance treaty with North Korea, but China does not provide military support to North Korea.

If Iran does not want Chinese military support, it's simple: just treat China as an ordinary country and don't place too much expectation on it. We also believe that the Iranians are capable of facing these issues independently.

If the Iranians hope to obtain Chinese military support, it's also simple: you need to first study the Chinese way of thinking. There's a Chinese idiom, "投名状." If our Iranian friends can deeply understand this idiom, it will be easy to obtain Chinese military support.

As for Iran's nuclear weapons issue, from an open diplomatic perspective, China certainly will not support Iran possessing nuclear weapons. In practical terms, China will not excessively oppose it. Simply put, we have no stance on this.

In our view, the Iranian military and government have never truly wanted to possess nuclear weapons. They are only pursuing nuclear weapons as a bargaining chip in negotiations with the West.

Although we cannot know the true thoughts of the Iranian government, we can see from the Iranian people that their thinking is actually quite chaotic. They eagerly absorb news from various media sources, even falling into manipulated thought traps. I suggest that we only view any interpretations of Iran's policies as observers, which is why I don't want to make too many comments. We can't even discern which country their hearts belong to or whose stance they represent.

 

[wangdefa]

Currently China relies on oil not only from Iran but all Arab countries in the Middle East. What happens if after Iran falls to the USA and no obstacles left after that results in USA now telling all Arab countries and the New Iranian Regime to STOP SELLING OIL to China?

Will China finally go to war with the USA in that hypothetical future if the USA uses its Puppet Regimes in the Middle East to cease selling oil to China? Following the same path Japan took in WW2 because USA blockaded supplies/sales of critical resources to Japan?

You fall into a trap of thinking that we lack oil. In fact, we do not lack oil. We just don't want to develop it from the land. We have the money to buy it. Moreover, we are increasing energy transformation and deploying a large amount of renewable energy every year. There is no shortage of oil under our land.

 

[Michael]

Currently China relies on oil not only from Iran but all Arab countries in the Middle East. What happens if after Iran falls to the USA and no obstacles left after that results in USA now telling all Arab countries and the New Iranian Regime to STOP SELLING OIL to China?

Will China finally go to war with the USA in that hypothetical future if the USA uses its Puppet Regimes in the Middle East to cease selling oil to China? Following the same path Japan took in WW2 because USA blockaded supplies/sales of critical resources to Japan?

Stop making such pointless remarks. This isn't how you play the game of politics.

Although we cannot know the true thoughts of the Iranian government, we can see from the Iranian people that their thinking is actually quite chaotic. They eagerly absorb news from various media sources, even falling into manipulated thought traps. I suggest that we only view any interpretations of Iran's policies as observers, which is why I don't want to make too many comments. We can't even discern which country their hearts belong to or whose stance they represent.

Yes.

In this Iran-Israel/US game, China is merely an observer. We have no interest in joining it.

Many people are eager to draw China into this game. Unfortunately, they underestimate the Chinese.

 

[ToddE]

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Iran has produced a number of missiles similar to the Buk missile.
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Iran has produced a number of air defense missiles based on the SM-1, which are visually similar to the PAC-2.

Lol you backtracked and made a U-turn bigger than moon. You were previously claiming that Iran is copying Russian SAMS, obviously you did not care to even read a bit, you later failed to find one example out of Raad/Taer/Sevom Khordad MIDAD family (one out of 5 families) so now you are posting random pics as evidence to back track on your argument. Here is a list of Iranian AD assets, please find me Russian Copies except for already mentioned ones (you will fail miserably).

KINETIC LAYERS OF AIR DEFENCE:​

(1) Dedicated ABM Systems:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Arman (ABM version of Bavar-373)​	Sayyad 4/4B​	ARH/Datalink/onboard ECM​	8 Mach​	120-350 KM for Exo-Atmospheric interception​

(2) Anti-AWACS/Heavy Bomber:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Alam-Ol-Hoda (Sadid 630)​	ARH​	N/A​	6-7 Mach​	400+ (Likely)​

(3) HIMADS:

System/Missile Name​	Missile​	Guidance/ Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Bavar-373​	Sayyad 4/4B​	ARH/Datalink/onboard ECM​	6-7 Mach​	350​
S-300PMU2​	48N6E2/9M96E​	ARH/SARH​	5 Mach​	220​
Mehran​	4 x different SHOARAD/HIMADS​	ARH/Datalink/onboard ECM​	2.5-6-7 Mach​	25-320​
Sevom Khordad​	9-Dey/Taer-2B/Sayyad-2C​	ARH/Command/EO​	6-7 Mach​	240​
S-200​	5V21​	SARH​	4.5 Mach​	400​

(4) Mid-Ranged:

System Name​	Missile Name​	Guidance/ Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Khordad-15/Joshan​	Sayyad-3C​	IRST+ARH/Passive​	5-6 Mach​	150 ​
Mersad-16/Kamin-2​	Shahin/Shalamche/Sayad-3F​	SARH​	3-4 Mach​	40-150 ​
Tabas/Raad1/2​	Taer-1/2A/2S or Sayad-2​	IRST + ARH/SARH​	4-5 Mach​	105​
Talash 1/2/3​	Sayyad-2/3C​	IRST + ARH​	5 Mach​	75 ​

(5) SHORADS/Point Defenders:

System Name​	Missile Name​	Guidance/ Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Dezful (Local Tor M1)​	9M331​	Radar/EO/IIR​	2.8​	12​
Majid AD-08​	All Aspect Azarakhsh HOBS​	Radar+IIR/EO​	2.5​	15​
Zoubin (Copy of Iron Dome)​	8 x Zoubin​	Passive​	N/A​	20​
9th Dey​	Radar/EO​	Radar+IIR/EO​	4​	30​
Herz-9/Ya Zahra ( Crotale)​	Passive/Beam rider/EO​	Radar+ EO​	2-3​	15-20​
Rapier​	Command Line of Sight (CLOS)​	Radar+EO​	N/A​	8-10​

(6) Loitering/Anti-Drone/Helicopter SHORAD:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Missile-358 Loitering SAM​	INS/SAT/EO​	Datalink​	Subsonic​	50-100​
Qaem Anti-Helicopter Missile​	IIR ​	N/A​	N/A​	10-12 ​
Almas Anti-Helicopter Missile​	IIR ​	N/A​	N/A​	25​

(7) Naval HIMAD:

System Name​	Missile Name​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Mehrab NSAM system​	Naval Sayyad-2/2C/3​	ARH/Onboard ECM​	5+​	5 Mach (Likely)​

(8) Naval VLS SHORAD:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Nawab VLS​	AESA+IIR/EO​	Likely yes​	Supersonic​	15​

(9) CIWS/Self-Propelled AAs:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Range (KM)​
Mesbah-1 CIWS​	3D radar/EO/IR​	4-5​
Sair 100mm​	Radar/LOS/EO/IR ​	4-5​
Samovat 35mm​	Radar/LOS/EO/IR​	4-5​
ZSU-23-4 Shilka​	Radar Guided​	4-5​
Bahman ZSU-57-2​	Optical/Radar​	4-5​

(10) Naval CIWS:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Range (KM)​
Kamand Naval CIWS​	Radar + IIR/EO​	4-5 KM​

(11) Manpads:

Missile Name​	Guidance​	Datalink/ECM​	Speed (Mach)​	Range (KM)​
Misagh-3​	IIR​	N/A​	2.5​	5-8​

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However, its radar is still a PESA, just as I said, Iran is not capable of producing X-band AESA.

What the duck are you even talking about ? IRIAD, IRIN, IRGCN together have 5 types of local AESA radars.

Najam-802

Najm-804

Meraj-4

Cheshme Oghab Naval Aesa

Navab VLS system also uses AESA Tracking radars

Next time you post BS, read this list first so you dont waste anyones time.

CATEGORIES

NON-KINETIC ASSETS:​

(1) OTH Radars

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Sepehr​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF​	3000​
Ghadir/Rezonans NE​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF​	1100​
Nazir​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF​	800​
Khailje Fars​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF​	800​
Surface-Wave Podsolnukh-E​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF​	360​

(2) Space Observatory

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Imam Sadegh Space Observatory​	3D​	Phase Array Domes​	PESA ​	Hybrid band coverage of NIR, Mid-IR, F-IR and HF/VHF​	1 Million ​

(3) Air-Defence Command and Control Centres

Name​

North, South, South West command centers

National Fiber Optic Telecommunication & Digital Super Computer Grid Network

Mobile Air Command centers “Borhan”

(4) Land Radars
(4.1) AESA Radars

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Meraj-4/Moragheb​	3D​	Phase Array​	AESA​	S-band​	450​
NEBO SVU​	3D​	Phase Array​	AESA​	VHF​	380​
Najm-804​	3D​	Phase Array​	AESA​	X band​	250​

(4.2) NON-AESA (PESA/HF)

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Fath 14​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF​	600​
Keyhan​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF band EWR​	500​
Falaq/67N6E Gamma-DE​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	N/A​	400​
Matla ul Fair​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	VHF​	480​
Ghamar​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	450​
Alborz​	3D​	Fuzzy Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	450​
Arash​	3D​	Phase Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	400​
Ghods/Vostok​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	S-band/VHF​	360​
64N6E​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	S-band​	300​
5N62V​	3D	Phased Array​	PESA​	H Band​	300​
Joshan​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	200​
JY-14 Radar​	2D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	E/F Band/VHF​	590​
Kavosh Kasta 2E2​	2D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	150​
MPQ-50/46​	2D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	N/A​
Kashef​	3D​	Phased Array​	PESA​	HF/VHF/UHF​	12​

(4.3) Passive Tracking Radars

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Alim​	3D​	Passive​	PESA​	N/A​	300​

(5) Naval Radars
(5.1) Naval AESA

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Cheshme Oghab​	3D​	4x Phase Arrays​	AESA​	X-band​	200​
Navab​	3D​	Multiple Phase Array​	AESA​	X-band​	100 KM​

(5.2) Naval PESA

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Asr​	3D​	PESA​	Phased Array​	X-band​	200​

(6) E-warfare, ElINT, Jamming Units

Name​	Dimensionality​	Antenna Type​	Antenna Tech​	Band/Frequency​	Range (KM)​
Murmansk-BN OTH Jamming unit​	2D​	Multiple OTH Transmitters​	ELINT​	HF​	5000​
Avtobaza​	2D​	N/A​	ELINT​	L to Ku band​	200​
Cobra V8 EW / Krasukha-4​	2D​	N/A​	Radar Jamming​	L to X-band​	300​

This is what you call Iranian air defense,

Yes we are very sorry we have a ~40 billion USD budget military (zero debt) supported by a large local military industrial complex. We should have asked loans and bonds from you and donated weaponry because thats what you like nations to do right ?

and it has nothing to do with China. On the contrary, Iran is using technology copied from the Soviet Union and the United States in the 1980s.

Let me rephrase your trolling/misinformation attempts here. I have provided you a list of IRIAD asset, you have so far failed to provide any considerable examples of an Iranian modern most radars, sensors active or passive, HIMADS, MIDADS, SHORADS that even remotely resemble USSR/Russian designs except the open ones like Taer/Raad. Khordad, Bavar, Mehran, Azaraksh, zoubin all use local Iranian tech that traces remote origin of US SM-1/2 (PAC) series or AIM-9 sidewinder with HOBS/All-Aspect capability. Even thats 3 generates back Sayyad-1/2 =>3 => 4 TVed.

Also Tom C's published claims of SAIRAN-CATIC cooperation is 100 times more credible than your troll posts here. Not sure why are you getting your panties in a bunch here because previous HESA-CAC have copperated as well. Whats your problem with that?

Also if you are trying to shame us Iranians on starting from somewhere, lol your whole airforce is built on Russian Flankers and Migs from 1960s and 70, Israeli Lavi (F-16 with delta wing) from 1970s that became J-10, J-35 that came from stolen blueprints of F-35. Worlds works like that, we are no exception. Stop trolling.

 

[muhammed45]

Currently China relies on oil not only from Iran but all Arab countries in the Middle East. What happens if after Iran falls to the USA and no obstacles left after that results in USA now telling all Arab countries and the New Iranian Regime to STOP SELLING OIL to China?

Will China finally go to war with the USA in that hypothetical future if the USA uses its Puppet Regimes in the Middle East to cease selling oil to China? Following the same path Japan took in WW2 because USA blockaded supplies/sales of critical resources to Japan?

The difference between China and Russia is exactly same as difference between an sleepy cute panda and a grizzly bear.

The grizzly might have a period of power nap, but it eventually returns and punishes the enemies. Panda usually ends up in a cage in the zoo.

China has been a colony of British empire for how many years? Can you say the same about Iran or Russia?

Our lovely cute panda senses the threat when it gets too late. Taiwan for example.

 

[Mehdipersian]

Iranians burn Baal idols:


Epstein and Western leaders worship Baal in satanic rituals

 

[ToddE]

he is allowed to make mistakes, it's good to have different perspectives as long as he stays respectful

Making a mistake is one thing. We all do but deliberate consistent trolling is destroying the thread. He is practically claiming a dual/tristaged solid fueled rocket is actually a magical copy of single staged liquid fueled rocket with 1.5 times the dia. You mods know better in the end though.