Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[StrategicBear]

If Iran wants to Preemptively Strike before the other carrier reaches within Combat Range, then the window is quickly closing...

 

[mangekyo]

I think people underestimate how much intel US has where Iran stores its weapons and launchers. In case of cruise missiles and naval assets they are very close to the shore/coast and will be hit. Not everything is under a mountain and with US they will have hundreds of drones and many spy satellites monitoring Irans movements.

People thinking Iran are going to be able to launch 100 ASBMs salvos at US carriers are living in a very optimistic land.

The question is how much arms has Iran built up in these last 25 years and how many survive the initial shock and awe campaign.

At the end of the day, a $1Trillion military vs $30b military was never going to be a fair fight.

Unless they have spread out missiles in thousands of remote operated silos, I don’t see how they will be able to launch those salvos. They have uncontested access to Iranian airspace. As soon as a missile is launched, you can wave goodbye to that site and alle the operators.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

If they don't hit Bahrain and the UAE....I will be very disappointed. These 2 countries should be treated as Israeli outposts.

Jordan included. Hit the airbases but also the Royal palaces.

 

[prokhorudro]

LMAO! World view of people is sometimes so opposite of realities.

Qatar is just one city, it has one major air base and that too has US military over there. Why on earth they need to attack themselves?

Why on earth US would even bother to attack Egypt, Qatar or KSA. All of them are super allies and super obedient states of America. All of these have multiple US bases.

Pakistan too is unlikely target as Pak military keep close relations with US and Pakistan from time to time is given "ally" status. So it does not make sense to attack Pak. Also it would be a massive gamble as Pakistan is strategic ally of China. They could have attacked Pakistan if it was in stage of building nuclear weapons and not already in possession of 200 nukes


Now I tell you which country would really be next. That is Algeria! An islamic country that is not in west's grip. The country that buy weapons from Russia and China. The country which condemns West's dupicities and brutalities. US don't go against obedient nations with puppet regimes, they go against non-puppet regimes.

I think China has already proven their value as an 'ally'

 

[Ali_Baba]

lets see what bases the USAF actually uses. if they directly use bases in those countries for offensive operations against Iran, I agree with you.

Does a air refuelling tanker that operates from these countries, qualify, in your view as then making that country a legitimate target?

What about -
AWACS
Monitoring Drones
EW Jamming Aircraft.
Refuelling Tankers.

Is this for you restricted to things that just "drop bombs", or all the logistical aircraft that support the attacks in the background as well ?

 

[StrategicBear]

Now I fear if IRGC really has the time and space to fire BMs when the enemy has complete Air Supremacy over Iranian skies.

Even if supposing Iran managed to shoot down 1 or 2 F-35s thanks to counter-stealth radars from China, the amount now is TOO MASSIVE, like dozens of F-35s and even F-22 RAPTORS are taking part that it's impossible to shoot all of them down!! Closing Hormuz Strait is easier as it is hard for them to identify all anti-shipping launchers along the coasts as all are hidden well and camouflaged with an additional hundreds of decoys to waste enemy Precision Munitions on "fake targets", but if the skies of Iran is full of enemy birds, how can Iran fire BMs??

I hope Iran really has some sort of secret weapon in place, like mass amounts of EMP warheads, etc......

 

[Pak-Warrior]

If you play by the rules set by your enemy then you are doomed. Its simple is that. Everything is fair in warfare, Iran needs to set rule of the game that favors itself. Iran needs to find ways to surprise enemy and think of most craziest and most immoral ways that enemy may try to surprise it. As enemy is very clever and cunning with modern tools and technology.

Don't wait and give the enemy a chance to attack on their time of choosing. That would be a blunder. If you don't want to "escalate" then keep disrupting their deployments without causing causalities but show your willingness that it will get ugly if enemy attacks. Create Chaos and disruptions. Extend the area of your "war exercises" and do these on daily basis.

If enemy deploy its forces at your doorstep then you have all the right in the world to fire warning shots, so enemy backs off or is unable to deploy in the manner they planned to do so.

Deployment in striking range is key for success in any military op. Availability of logistics is critical for sustained strikes. US is in process of doing so using "talks" as a time buying tactic. In the end, talks will fail. No one can meet US demands. Those demands are set in a way that talks will fail. Abandoning missile program is like giving up your only remaining deterrence, so US or Israel can do anything they want like Venezuela style without worrying about any consequences.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

lets see what bases the USAF actually uses. if they directly use bases in those countries for offensive operations against Iran, I agree with you.

goes both ways!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Energy infrastructure in Qatar, Kuwait should be hit when war starts, the sea and airports as well. Exports and imports of goods and energy and weapons should be made impossible.

Iran has no choice and time to be selective or to hesitate.

could IR have worked out, the areas, where even lesser strikes could create a havoc!

I suppose so, yes

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Now I fear if IRGC really has the time and space to fire BMs when the enemy has complete Air Supremacy over Iranian skies.

Even if supposing Iran managed to shoot down 1 or 2 F-35s thanks to counter-stealth radars from China, the amount now is TOO MASSIVE, like dozens of F-35s and even F-22 RAPTORS are taking part that it's impossible to shoot all of them down!! Closing Hormuz Strait is easier as it is hard for them to identify all anti-shipping launchers along the coasts as all are hidden well and camouflaged with an additional hundreds of decoys to waste enemy Precision Munitions on "fake targets", but if the skies of Iran is full of enemy birds, how can Iran fire BMs??

I hope Iran really has some sort of secret weapon in place, like mass amounts of EMP warheads, etc......

that does not include drones and LM, which will accompany them in the first strike.

but, this is double edged sword, if USA misses, it could lead to massive damage on the US side as well

 

[Bahrami]

Do not fear so much. The enemy is strong. But ist ability to absorb pain is unimaginable low compared to its strength. It will not be worse than 8 years all out war against Saddam/USA/Soviets/Chemical Weapons/Arab States.

It will hurt, we will fall back here and there. But ANY attack on Iran will only strengthen the Core of Irans hold to power in the area and as always unite people. Let them come, fear nothing brothers.

 

[mulj]

Did trump just announced that he will attack from Diego Garcia island due preserving regional bases and setting up escalation ladder?
This is not great for USA and it shaws some refrain and fear.

 

[OldTwilight]

Well , I pray for my country. This no time for fear.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Now I fear if IRGC really has the time and space to fire BMs when the enemy has complete Air Supremacy over Iranian skies.

Even if supposing Iran managed to shoot down 1 or 2 F-35s thanks to counter-stealth radars from China, the amount now is TOO MASSIVE, like dozens of F-35s and even F-22 RAPTORS are taking part that it's impossible to shoot all of them down!! Closing Hormuz Strait is easier as it is hard for them to identify all anti-shipping launchers along the coasts as all are hidden well and camouflaged with an additional hundreds of decoys to waste enemy Precision Munitions on "fake targets", but if the skies of Iran is full of enemy birds, how can Iran fire BMs??

I hope Iran really has some sort of secret weapon in place, like mass amounts of EMP warheads, etc......

Israeli aircraft are restricted because of the distance involved over Syria/Iraq to Iran. Unless the Arab states open up their airbases to host IDF jets, the constraints of the original Iran/Israel conflict still hold, though this time, without the element of surprise.

USA is more capable as the distances are smaller. Iran would need to work to restrict the capability of the air-air refuellers, so that it can then use that to restrict the mission rate of the jets them selves. The Achilles heel for the USN/USAF air force is the air refuelling tankers. Take them out, then life becomes very difficult for the USA.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Do not fear so much. The enemy is strong. But ist ability to absorb pain is unimaginable low compared to its strength. It will not be worse than 8 years all out war against Saddam/USA/Soviets/Chemical Weapons/Arab States.

It will hurt, we will fall back here and there. But ANY attack on Iran will only strengthen the Core of Irans hold to power in the area and as always unite people. Let them come, fear nothing brothers.

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