Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mehdipersian]

I’m not as optimistic about Irans millitary prowess compared to other Iranians here. I think it’s game over. There is IMO nothing Iran can do if the US truly decides to take out Iran.

I was optimistic even on the first day of the war with Israel, when many commanders were martyred.

This is a war that we have been waiting for for years. I agree with a long and direct war with Israel and America, Iran's internal capabilities must be tested.

In Iran, we have been praying for 47 years to be the Khorasani Army of Imam Mahdi, and if we do not participate in such a war, we cannot say that we are on the right path.

Also, in the non-religious debate, America wants to surrender and destroy Iran, so we must teach them a lesson about what kind of people and what country they are fighting. world will write our courage in history.

 

[Persian Gulf]

It worked in Iraq, Libya and Syria. Why wouldn’t it work in Iran?

I am not sure spending $7 trillion and losing thousands of soldiers to create poor lawless states is the definition of success

 

[Falcon29]

US has no clear exit plan from Iran. just bomb everything and hope for the best

It would be in Russia and China's interest to improve Iranian targeting systems so Thaad and Patriot batteries across region can be accurately hit.

If those anti-missile systems get hit, the Israeli population is more vulnerable and will have to endure something equivalent to a limited air campaign.

People say they're resilient because of the Hamas operation targeting IDF southern command. I don't agree because that came as a surprise to them, they didn't expect nor want to endure that. And with Gaza they could take control of situation, regardless, within couple days and start an extermination campaign of civilians immediately because it is in their backyard and is very small.

With Iran they cannot. They'd try to continue targeting launchers and missiles in Iran. And send many Israelis into underground parking lots and such to withstand a longer duration of war. If defense systems batteries can be struck, then every missile becomes potent and a guaranteed strike on Israeli infrastructure.

The AoR should have focused on causing maximum damage to Israeli terrorist population which is clearly a rapist genocidal population that has genocidal aspirations and acts out on them in multiple nations -- therefore losing any civilian status they once had. Fighting to lose is not an option. AoR and others that will inevitably get in conflict with this rabid terrorist entity have to fight to win.

The Israelis are crazed fanatics. In this context how far do we have to go to deter this Nazi-esque population? The international community committed a genocide against the German population to stop the Nazis. Because the Nazis base weren't normal people. And you had to hurt them where it matters for them to stop. Same case for Israelis.

Iran doesn't have that capability. But it doesn't change the reality that the region is facing a threat of large magnitude that has potential to trigger a world war. Because the EU and US have decided to side with the Nazis this time around. Sooner or later people will say enough is enough, Israel will be stormed by ground no matter what the cost is (even if they drop some nukes on some cities ) and the terrorist Jewish Nazi population that committed multiple genocides in the region are going to face payday with their own blood. And I don't think a single one of them will be spared. As a warning to the EU and the US, any more Nazi entities you prop up, they will face extermination

 

[Persian Gulf]

I think we need to see the US evacuate regional bases before they will attack Iran

but the US can do this at very short notice

 

[mangekyo]

I am not sure spending $7 trillion and losing thousands of soldiers to create poor lawless states is the definition of success

That’s how the MIC make their profits.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I think we need to see the US evacuate regional bases before they will attack Iran

but the US can do this at very short notice

can IR hide its security personnel in tunnels?

 

[lightning f57]

What will be will be.

I pray to the Al-mighty to protect the Iranian nation and help it come out stronger. I pray for its attackers to be humiliated and left with a heavy price to pay for their aggression.

Iran has been preparing for a US attack for decades, I think its leaders clearly understand their situation now and its not about making bombastic statements, time to temper minds and use the resources they have to the best they can.

You can never underestimate the zionist nazi regime in Tel aviv, and serial liar trumpy. Iran must prepare for the worst.

They should have rapid plans in place to mine the strait of hormuz making it difficult for any ships to come in and out and making clearing operation dangerous and complicated for the US.

I really have no idea how they can protect their missile bases when they will unlikely be able to defend their skys, Iran is a big country with mountains maybe that can be used for their advantage too.

Does anyone have any idea effectiveness and quantity of Iranian antiship missiles?, those Kilo subs should be out to sea on a constant rotational basis, the ships should visit friendly ports and create some complications for US planning.

Missile forces need to be ready to fire as many missiles as they can, ideally lots of weak dud ones with CM's to deplete US/Zionist stocks.

Then its a battle of temperament and resolve. They held out for 10 years against Iraq who was funded and backed by many countries, 2-3 weeks at full throttle is probably what trumpy can do, after that his probably facing political suicide.

 

[Nuffle]

We will find out very soon who is right. My bet: Israel dumbfucks will start the war.

That's my bet too.

 

[Nuffle]

I think people underestimate how much intel US has where Iran stores its weapons and launchers. In case of cruise missiles and naval assets they are very close to the shore/coast and will be hit. Not everything is under a mountain and with US they will have hundreds of drones and many spy satellites monitoring Irans movements.

People thinking Iran are going to be able to launch 100 ASBMs salvos at US carriers are living in a very optimistic land.

The question is how much arms has Iran built up in these last 25 years and how many survive the initial shock and awe campaign.

At the end of the day, a $1Trillion military vs $30b military was never going to be a fair fight.

What do you think might happen?

 

[Persian Gulf]

That’s how the MIC make their profits.

the US has $38.6 trillion debt

this is 136% of the US GDP. in 2000, the US debt was 59% of GDP.

the US operates a $1.9 trillion annual deficit and the debt increases by $1 trillion every 100 days

if interest rates start to outpace growth rates, it can spiral very quickly

 

[BigMela2onin]

the US has $38.6 trillion debt

this is 136% of the US GDP. in 2000, the US debt was 59% of GDP.

the US operates a $1.9 trillion annual deficit and the debt increases by $1 trillion every 100 days

if interest rates start to outpace growth rates, it can spiral very quickly

The US can have a quadrillion dollars in debt and it won't matter, no one is coming to collect on that debt.

 

[SolarWarden]

The "plan" is to decapitate the regime, destroy all nuclear and ballistic missile capability, IRGC security forces, Basij forces and for ground troops (anti regime Iranians) quickly take control of Tehran and country.

They are not going to destroy infrastructure that would be counterproductive of the goal US is hoping for. Power plants wont get destroyed but power will somehow magically not work until it does. Iran is infested with spooks many from Israel and US they likely know and have tabs on leadership movement and locations... will see.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The US can have a quadrillion dollars in debt and it won't matter, no one is coming to collect on that debt.

that's not true

US treasuries have fixed maturity dates (10Y, 30Y)

and if the perceived risk of default increases then yields will increase, making it more expensive for the US to continue to fund budget deficits, creating the spiral

 

[Ali_Baba]

I think we need to see the US evacuate regional bases before they will attack Iran

but the US can do this at very short notice

They are evacuated already except for operational staff.

 

[mangekyo]

the US has $38.6 trillion debt

this is 136% of the US GDP. in 2000, the US debt was 59% of GDP.

the US operates a $1.9 trillion annual deficit and the debt increases by $1 trillion every 100 days

if interest rates start to outpace growth rates, it can spiral very quickly

You must not forget that the US government is corrupt. There’s no doubt that the American foreign policy of destabilizing the Middle East and the forever war model has burdened American tax payers. But it has profited the MIC and FIC immensely. This is how they operate.