Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Reichsmarschall]

 

[Persian Gulf]

Most Pahlavi/Shah supporters I've seen and talked to are agreeing that Kurds have the right to have their own state and that Iranian Kurdistan should be separated from Iran as well as Azerbaijan and Balochistan

They aren't against a balkanized Iran, and when you ask them why Quebec for example doesn't have the right to be separated from Canada, they start stuttering and quickly blame the kos nanat IRI and that Iran cut in 12 parts is better than IRI

This is why you see Israeli, Kurdish separatist flags in their pathetic rallies

I don't see that

usually you see fights between Pahlavi supporters and separatists in these rallies

Pahlavi supporters always draw the line at people renaming the Persian Gulf and are very nationalistic (with the exception of supporting a foreign country invading Iran to bring regime change)

 

[ShapurII]

Most Pahlavi/Shah supporters I've seen and talked to are agreeing that Kurds have the right to have their own state and that Iranian Kurdistan should be separated from Iran as well as Azerbaijan and Balochistan

They aren't against a balkanized Iran, and when you ask them why Quebec for example doesn't have the right to be separated from Canada, they start stuttering and quickly blame the kos nanat IRI and that Iran cut in 12 parts is better than IRI

This is why you see Israeli, Kurdish separatist flags in their pathetic rallies

Do you even speak Persian? Last time I checked, you couldn't even speak Persian. So, how did you see them or talk to them?

If anything, Pahlavi supporters and Kurdish separatists are like Sunnis and Shiites. They never get along. Kurdish separatists call Pahlavi supporters with names like Persian fascists lol

Even in Berlin protests after Mahsa Amini, there were multiple clashes between Kurdish separatists and Pahlavi supporters. They never had any issue with the leftists, only with Pahlavi supporters because Pahlavi supporters insist that Kurdistan is part of Iran.

This was by far the most hilarious thing I read today.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

 

[maxpane]

is it a tactic to get a deal or situation is serious now?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran has a very large exposed hole in the SAM network bordering Pakistan. They are tactically exposed in that area and there is a clear route to the heart of Iran via that route.



What will Pakistan do on this front? Will it actively secure its airspace, or "look the other way" when USN aircraft overfly Pakistan airspace to attack Iran ?

 

[ShapurII]

Iran has a very large exposed hole in the SAM network bordering Pakistan.

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What will Pakistan do on this front? Will it actively secure its airspace, or "look the other way" when USN aircraft overfly Pakistan airspace to attack Iran ?

Last time the US penetrated Iranian air space for a failed mission (Operation Eagle Claw), that's how they entered Iran. Four decades later, they are still vulnerable from the same position. It's hilarious.

 

[tsunset]

I don't see that

usually you see fights between Pahlavi supporters and separatists in these rallies

Pahlavi supporters always draw the line at people renaming the Persian Gulf and are very nationalistic (with the exception of supporting a foreign country invading Iran to bring regime change)

I swear to you I've seen in person Kurdish separatist flags in Pahlavi rallies and no one was fighting them

They will happily help to cut Iran in 16 parts and give everyone their share of the cake, including the islands to UAE

They are nationalistic only against Arabs and muslims, but when Jews and whites attacks and threaten us, no one is seen defending Iran anymore

Do you even speak Persian? Last time I checked, you couldn't even speak Persian. So, how did you see them or talk to them?

If anything, Pahlavi supporters and Kurdish separatists are like Sunnis and Shiites. They never get along. Kurdish separatists call Pahlavi supporters with names like Persian fascists lol

Even in Berlin protests after Mahsa Amini, there were multiple clashes between Kurdish separatists and Pahlavi supporters. They never had any issue with the leftists, only with Pahlavi supporters because Pahlavi supporters insist that Kurdistan is part of Iran.

This was by far the most hilarious thing I read today.

You tell @Mehdipersian to stop the personal attacks but here you are with your ad hominem attacks

There's no need to talk to these degenerates, just look at the flags they wave, even if i was wrong and that there was no kurdish separatist flags, they still wave Israeli flags

 

[جوبا]

Iran has a very large exposed hole in the SAM network bordering Pakistan. They are tactically exposed in that area and there is a clear route to the heart of Iran via that route.

View attachment 179954

What will Pakistan do on this front? Will it actively secure its airspace, or "look the other way" when USN aircraft overfly Pakistan airspace to attack Iran ?

It should do exactly the same that IRIAF was doing in May in the Pak-Ind conflict

 

[maxpane]

is it propganda or something real? how could their position leaked and exposed to public so easily?

 

[ShapurII]

I swear to you I've seen in person Kurdish separatist flags in Pahlavi rallies and no one was fighting them

They will happily help to cut Iran in 16 parts and give everyone their share of the cake, including the islands to UAE

They are nationalistic only against Arabs and muslims, but when Jews and whites attacks and threaten us, no one is seen defending Iran anymore

Pahlavi supporters are the only group of diaspora that are so ultra-nationalistic that it borders fascism.

Their only weakness is sucking up to the US and Israel. And that's a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". They think Israel and the US are the only countries that will help them get rid of the regime. Whether it's wrong or not is up for debate but if you speak Persian, you will see that Pahlavi supporters are so against separatists that nearly every separatist group wants them dead.

You tell @Mehdipersian to stop the personal attacks but here you are with your ad hominem attacks

There's no need to talk to these degenerates, just look at the flags they wave, even if i was wrong and that there was no kurdish separatist flags, they still wave Israeli flags

What ad-hominem attack? Do you speak Persian?
I remember you and I remember you said you didn't speak the language. So, why do you assume you understand the dynamics of different political groups in diaspora when you don't speak the language? You should at least read what they say before you form an opinion.

 

[mangekyo]

The Shah was obviously far from perfect. I have never claimed that the Shah was ideal. He clearly had many problems, but he also did some good things. Iran suffered from illiteracy at the time, and he was partially to blame for that. Only 36% of Iranians were literate in 1975 (48% male, 24% female). But then again, the Shah started to send Iranians abroad to study at top US universities. He turned the Imperial Air Force of Iran into a formidable air force that saved Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. He hugely invested in our energy sector as the driving force of our economy. It's never black and white, for sure.

But let's not forget something. The Shah faced two important challenges: 1. The Soviet Union, a formidable beast in our neighborhood who eyed our land for decades already, 2. Cheap oil prices. For most of his rule, oil prices were below $4 per barrel. When oil hit $20 per barrel, Iran experienced an economic boom that lifted us up to the point that we were the world's 12th largest economy before the war with Iraq. Also, the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and one of our biggest security threats was resolved on its own.

Nobody wants to burn Iran into the ground. They need change and when change cannot happen internally, they hope that external factors can trigger it.

Yes, the Shah did many great things for Iran. I don’t like it when people pretend he didn’t. IRI has also done great things for Iran, we must also acknowledge this.

Do I believe Iran would have been more influential had the shah stayed in power? Yes. Do I believe Iran would have a better economy? Also yes. But inequality in wealth was huge. I agree it was due to a record boom in economy but it happened under his watch and people got impatient. And I’ll even buy the argument that he couldn’t accept any political opposition due to Soviet and British interference in Iran. But IRI is using the same excuses. Khomeini came and promised everyone instant rainbows and sunshine. Now Reza, Israel and USA are promising rainbows and sunshines. Learn from past mistakes.

 

[Sarhang]

The Shah was obviously far from perfect. I have never claimed that the Shah was ideal. He clearly had many problems, but he also did some good things. Iran suffered from illiteracy at the time, and he was partially to blame for that. Only 36% of Iranians were literate in 1975 (48% male, 24% female). But then again, the Shah started to send Iranians abroad to study at top US universities. He turned the Imperial Air Force of Iran into a formidable air force that saved Iran during the Iraq-Iran war. He hugely invested in our energy sector as the driving force of our economy. It's never black and white, for sure.

But let's not forget something. The Shah faced two important challenges: 1. The Soviet Union, a formidable beast in our neighborhood who eyed our land for decades already, 2. Cheap oil prices. For most of his rule, oil prices were below $4 per barrel. When oil hit $20 per barrel, Iran experienced an economic boom that lifted us up to the point that we were the world's 12th largest economy before the war with Iraq. Also, the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991 and one of our biggest security threats was resolved on its own.

Nobody wants to burn Iran into the ground. They need change and when change cannot happen internally, they hope that external factors can trigger it.


I didn't fully understand your comment. Would you kindly explain it? I think I missed your point.

I had decided to stop coming to this forum because there are too many trolls legitimizing a barbaric murderous mullah regime many of whom are not even Iranian to begin with. On top of that we are being silenced here. The moderator occasionally edits or deletes posts that he doesnt like.


Back to the topic:


I would say that the majority of Iranians around 80% want the monarchy back. They want a normal life. They want to be friends with all nations on Earth.

Irans population inside and outside the country, totals around 100–110 million. Out of that number, perhaps 70–90 million support the return of the monarchy. How long can the IR keep this regime alive with just guns?

The IR is like a cancer that has taken our beautiful nation hostage. It will eventually be eradicated just as Iranians have overcome so many invaders in the past many of whom are no longer around. We will either overthrow the IR violently or absorb it out of existence as we have done to others before.

Until the IR is wiped off the face of the map, nothing will be normal in Iran. We will not allow anything to become normal.

As for the recent developments, whatever happens, our struggle against evil and injustice will continue and will be recorded in history.

 

[mangekyo]

swear to you I've seen in person Kurdish separatist flags in Pahlavi rallies and no one was fighting them

They will happily help to cut Iran in 16 parts and give everyone their share of the cake, including the islands to UAE

They are nationalistic only against Arabs and muslims, but when Jews and whites attacks and threaten us, no one is seen defending Iran anymore

Exactly. I once saw a conversation between a monarchist and someone who wrote Arabian Gulf instead of Persian Gulf. The monarchist got furious and nationalistic, said its the Persian Gulf and this and that. Then an American came and wrote «it’s the American Gulf now» The monarchist accepted

 

[hasssanali8998]

Iran has a very large exposed hole in the SAM network bordering Pakistan. They are tactically exposed in that area and there is a clear route to the heart of Iran via that route.

View attachment 179954

What will Pakistan do on this front? Will it actively secure its airspace, or "look the other way" when USN aircraft overfly Pakistan airspace to attack Iran ?

tbh they dont need to , they can just as easily knock this AD out and have the same route