Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
And then the university students after some years would get tired of their new regime and the cycle will continue and continue and more generations' hopes and dreams finished off.

"Incumbency fatigue' is horrible in general and even more horrible when a nation under decades long sanctions doesn't deliver for its people. I don't think Iranians should pin any hopes on a foreign backed regime change--it will probably be even uglier than the current one.
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Is that you, Nostradamus?

Iranians will no longer accept be under sanctions for Palestinians and Islamic unity. It is none of our business to fight for ungrateful Palestinians and Arabs. If you want to do that, go ahead and do it on your own, with your own resources.

But last time I checked, your Prime Minister was bending over backwards for Trump. Why don't you do something about Palestinians and go against the US and Israel instead? After all, they are your Sunni brothers and we are Shiite.
 
ShapurII said:
Is that you, Nostradamus?
Iranians will no longer accept be under sanctions for Palestinians and Islamic unity. It is none of our business to fight for ungrateful Palestinians and Arabs. If you want to do that, go ahead and do it on your own, with your own resources.
But last time I checked, your Prime Minister was bending over backwards for Trump. Why don't you do something about Palestinians and go against the US and Israel instead? After all, they are your Sunni brothers and we are Shiite.
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How did you manage to twist my word about the general incumbency fatigue, which is present globally, to something like your post?!!
And I am not apologetic about what the Pakistani PM did bootlicking Trump: Pakistan got the F-16s upgraded, which was a major achievement for a little bootlicking to counter India, and that's what counts for Pakistan. There is nothing Pakistan can do about Palestine when the Arab nations cant do much.
 
Meengla said:
How did you manage to twist my word about the general incumbency fatigue, which is present globally, to something like your post?!!
And I am not apologetic about what the Pakistani PM did bootlicking Trump: Pakistan got the F-16s upgraded, which was a major achievement for a little bootlicking to counter India, and that's what counts for Pakistan. There is nothing Pakistan can do about Palestine when the Arab nations cant do much.
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I never expected you to be apologetic about what the Pakistani PM did.
In fact, what he did was right. He acted in line with the national interests of Pakistan and I applaud him for that. Nothing but respect to him. Kudos to him for behaving the way a patriot should do.

However, here's my question to you: Why don't you think that Iranians deserve to be ruled by people who put Iran first? Instead of Palestine and Lebanon.

You guys have this weird expectation that Iranians should live in poverty and under sanctions to fight Israel. No, thanks. We don't want to do that. We don't care much for Palestine in Iran. Most of us dislike Arabs and we understand that this feeling is mutual.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Donald Trump is most certainly stupid enough to order a tactical nuclear strike on some of the heavily defended missile bases, but the problem for the USA is that if he does, then that gives the green light to Russia to start using them in Ukraine.
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Can you imagine the signal you're sending out to the world by using a nuke on a non-nuke country?
Doing that basically will give everyone the right to develop a nuclear weapon.... They can also forget about any kind of treaty. It will be a free for all.... there would be a proliferation of nuclear weapons across the globe. Both overtly and clandestine programs.
No, I don't think anyone is getting nuked. Trump is certainly stupid enough...but the US government operatives would put a stop to it.
 
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ShapurII said:
However, here's my question for you: Why don't you think that Iranians deserve to be ruled by people who put Iran first? Instead of Palestine and Lebanon.
You guys have this weird expectation that Iranians should live in poverty and under sanctions to fight Israel. No, thanks. We don't want to do that. We don't care much for Palestine in Iran. Most of us dislike Arabs and we understand that this feeling is mutual.
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I think you saw my post above: Most Pakistanis don't care who rules Iran as long as not in the Israeli or Indian orbit.
I was merely cautioning you against a regime change engineered by foreign powers, especially by the Israelis, because that will not end well for Iran--on the contrary. Know your real enemies, which maybe even worse than the current regime you seem to dislike a lot.
 
ShapurII said:
Yeah, but using that logic, as the supporters of the regime come from poor families and the opposition are usually from the middle class, then the supporters of the regime have lost their rational thinking and are selling their dignity for $100 per month.

The majority of these students will move abroad and will be hired at top paying jobs. Sharif University is one of the world's best schools of engineering and science. Most of their graduates end up at Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Princeton, Cornell, Oxford, Cambridge, etc. They do not need to protest or make a political move for money, unlike the impoverished Muslim fools who wag their tails for $100 per month for a murderous regime.
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If they are that smart they can make money in Iran to but i suppose their greed for material satisfaction is higher then Iran can provide.
I am also fine that they "change" current regime but you as smart person should tell those about price for it and as person who lives in west shutter their illusions about patriotism and country relevance in future with even more internal and external challenges once shah sit on throne.
 
It is impossible to have a normal discussion with Pahlavists without being insulted of being an Arab and kos nanat or an "IRGC shill"

Same talking points as Hitler, same body language, same fascism, these guys are a threat to the whole region and call themselves "Aryan Zoroastrian Persians"
 
ShapurII said:
I agree that different cultures cannot be compared, but the Japanese were also fearless warriors.
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Vehemently disagree.... You're leaving so much out.
And I don't have the energy to numerate them. I'll give you one, their living God., their emperor told them to stand down. Part of the surrendering agreement was strict military limits.
 
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kastor ville said:
Can you imagine the signal you're sending out to the world by using a nuke on a non-nuke country?
Doing that basically we'll give everyone the right to develop a nuclear weapon.... They can also forget about any kind of treaty. It will be a free for all.... there would be a proliferation of nuclear weapons across the globe. Both overtly and clandestine programs.
No, I don't think anyone is getting nuked. Trump is certainly stupid enough...but the US government operatives would put a stop to it.
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Not much will happen if the west is the one doing the nuking. Some condemnations, a couple protests.
 
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