Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

hussain0216 said:
We need a massive stock of arms

None of this 4-5 day of war bullshit,, massive stock of arms and missiles to smash anything

And your right, get rid of PGs and old Mirages and as a government to government deal purchase more J10s with a eye on J31s and KAANs



It's all about airforce and assets

I would also say a solid 1000km anti missile option with numerous sea drones to wear down enemy ships is a must
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Sub launched nuclear capability a must.

Get some of those new series YJ and Hangors.
 
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that is at least 500-600 missiles interceptors expended in less than two days by Kuwait (assuming 2-3 per missile and 1 per drone, and not including failed interceptions)

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Maersk, the world’s largest container shipping company, is suspending all vessel transits through the Strait of Hormuz amid escalating regional tensions, Bloomberg reports.
 
El Sidd said:
The high cost of the aggressors regional allies and an intact capacity to still fire barrages of missiles apart from ability to direct traffic in the Straits. Not to mention still a dedicated 2nd to 3rd tier leadership.
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No country has won a war randomly bombing other countries. Iran is just throwing projectiles everywhere and hoping some hit something.

That’s not a long term war strategy. Iran has lost its airspace. Israel and U.S. will continue hitting the targets they want while Iran will pray they hit something of value. It’s a lopsided affair.


El Sidd said:
There's a small illusion of win-win still on the cards. That window will close for IRI sooner rather than later.
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There is no win-win. If Iran wanted war thru peace, it should have initiated it on its own terms like Russia did in 2022 rather than waiting for the war to come to Iran without having a choice.

But iran was so considered about public opinion and optics that it didn’t even launch a war when Israel destroyed its embassy in Syria. That’s a sign the system has no honor. Destroying an embassy is an act of war.

But iran wouldn’t defend its honor when it’s generals died in Syria, when it’s nuclear program was attacked repeatedly the past 20 years, when it’s embassy was attacked, when it’s officials assassinated, etc.

The system has failed. A new system needs to be built focused on economic prosperity and technological progress since clearly War fighting is not this systems strong suit, engineering is.
 
Incredible job done so far by Iran despite its leadership / top commanders being killed early in battle. They responded promptly and much more then what people were expecting.

Only thing which Iran didn't do right was, to gave time and space to US forces for build up around it. Iran allowed US to prepare and deploy forces with impunity. Iran should have known that Americans are kind of breed which can never be trusted. They are most disgusting nation. I had absolute clarity that "talks" are only excuse by US to gain time and US will attack. It was so obvious there was no going back for US after that build up. I stated it number of times but many people in this thread were not so sure and the Iranian leadership.

I forecast Iran will win this war. Even if Iran keep firing 2 or 3 missiles to Israel, it would keep that country effectively close. No work, people rushing to bomb shelters. The GCC are started to feel the heat and they'd be telling Trump to end it sooner. In the end, Trump / Israel will want a ceasefire without regime change. It will be a victory for Iran fighting all alone against super power + its regional dog Israel.
 
Immortals said:
I think you are failing to understand something: Iran has lost.

Iran isn’t HZ or Taliban or Hamas, it’s a developed country with half trillion GDP. This isn’t surrender and fight another day. It’s pure surrender.

It was over in June. But copium on this board was that “Israel came begging for a ceasefire”. The reality is US/Israel completed their knock out blow and were giving Iran a chance to negotiate on the nuclear program.

Iran didn’t budge and they removed the Supreme Leader and several more officials yesterday.

Iran’s system has failed and its ideology has failed. It’s time for a new phase for the country.

But by all means go ahead and fight for honor and pride at this point, all that will mean is more of Iran sadly gets destroyed until Iran “drinks from the poisoned chalice”.
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I’m not going to repeat myself. You tell me how Iran has lost. Educate me.
 
lightning f57 said:
This talk of ceasefire if asked by Iran does not bode well. Trumpy will make surrender conditions so hard that if not accepted they will keep doing punitive strikes.

Iran is heavily bleeding, but they have a strong choice to make.

Trust trumpy who is a serial liar and expect constant attacks until the government falls, or agree to hand over to Palvi, or make this war bloody and extremely painful for trumpy.

Lots of dead US soldiers will lead to trumpy pushing for a ceasefire, then Iran may just have a stronger position to negotiate ironically otherwise we have seen this script a few times already.
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The talks request came from the U.S via the Italians
 
Aad80 said:
Haifa Oil Refinery has been hit (just like last summer) in the past 24 hours. Confirmed by CENTCOM.
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CENTCOM accidentally reporting that Iran hit the Haifa oil refinery
 
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