Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[iron shrapnel]

I fear some of you are rejoicing way too early...

 

[BeingHuman]

The Strait is the key here, but is it in Iran's control?

If it wasn’t in control the US would have been escorting the ships by now. Tells you a lot all that boasting while keeping 350km distance from Iranian shores

 

[mangekyo]

It's weird because we haven't seen Mojtaba after his appointment to SL (correct me if I'm wrong), he's very silent

But the logic answer is that it's for security reasons

Yes. And its also a little weird that all the khameneis were at the same place except mojtaba.

 

[Jugantor]

They should accept the reality and pay for the damages caused by GCC for harbouring terrorists

5% commission on all traffic passing through the strait?
For 30 years.

 

[Shags101]

Contested waters at best.

I would say contested if American navy was anywhere near it they have control no one gets in or out without Iranian approval I mentioned this before weird we have heard of many Iranian cruise missile attacks since that’s one of things they have more on than anything but their drones it’s basically their last line of defense if Americans naval forces decide actually go through with bluff of escorting merchant ships

 

[VCheng]

Contested waters at best.

As long as the insurance market doesn't increase its rates, that will not be a problem methinks.

 

[Jugantor]

The Strait is the key here, but is it in Iran's control?

Do you see any hostile ships passing through?

Ding, ding…you got the answer

 

[lightning f57]

Trumpy is a serial liar. His speeches cant be taken seriously, he could be trying to get Iran to drop their guard to kill the new leader.

Iran has taken allot of economic and military damage, for them to accept a ceasefire they need to establish a strong deterence, otherwise the US and Israel will be back again to "mow the lawn".

Primary objectives for Iran must be:

1. Survival - territorial integrity and current government set up
2. Survival of missile tech, manufacturing ability

Secondary objectives should be:

1. Need to obtain deterence from future attack -
   • Removal of US bases from the region to prevent a third round of attack
   • Warn of pre-emptive attacks if feel threatened.
2. Some semblence of Nuclear technology still around
3. Get some guarantee's from major powers (Russia, China, global south) for economic and military support or keep the Strait of Hormuz closed.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Shahed has a better kill record than Indian AF

 

[VCheng]

Maybe not fully but a few ships sunk will make these countries think about their business potential they love their money too much

Has that happened?

 

[VCheng]

Seriously this is one big ass fumble on trumps part it showed that American forces couldn’t actually defend ships in the strait honestly I guess trump really started to believe everyone was going to rollover for him Iran is devastated but they’re still standing and are in control of their coastal seas man I wonder how he’s going to spin this to his maga followers

Big Ass Fumble? Hell, yes. But Iran seems to have come off much worse off than before.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

This is based on an Opinion piece by David Ignatius, who is another Zio with a permanent job in American media. I think it's too early for talk of an exit ramp and this could also be disinformation by Israelis. If you look at movement of assets and current discussions, seems Trump is going to try another escalation before quitting.

The "Israelis" seem to be running out of interceptions. Their people are also capturing the effects of Iranian and Lebanese rockets and missiles with their mobile devices. They're doing it to put pressure on their govt to end it. We've also seen the tantrums from Lindsey Graham. You add that with then blockade on the Strait of Hormoz. So, it is very obvious that they're desperate for ceasefire now.

 

[j_hungary]

@j_hungary
Another ally smoked?.

Well, Trump said he would sanction Spain, does that mean another Ally smoked? Or should we say "NATO is disbanded."

Dude, you have no idea how geopolitics work if you think like that. It ALWAYS follows interest, not administration.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Maybe not fully but a few ships sunk will make these countries think about their business potential they love their money too much

So you're advocating the sinking of ships from countries that might not have anything to do with this?

 

[Shags101]

Has that happened?

Yes they hit a number of ships in the from what I remember over a dozen merchant ships aligned with American interests were hit