Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bengal71]

Come on! Seriously ! Your leaders had enough time and resources to develop A decent air force and defence. There is no doubt that US can defeat any country in the world. But at what cost. ? The deterrence is all about making the opponent's victory as costly as possible.

Decent airforce wasn't possible. Who would've sold fighter aircraft to them?

 

[Immortals]

The US 15-point is probably based on something real as they are the ones peddling this negotiation nonsense.

It’s basically the May 2025 deal that Argachi assured us wasn’t what Steve Witkoff was actually saying in the negotiation room……just before we got bombed in June 2025.

 

[Shags101]

Lol. Don't use this sleaze bag for anything he will soon be indicted.

Another trump witch hunt?
hey remember when you said American forces would shutdown Iran in like 24 hours shout all power no missiles would be launched and etc what happened there

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Meengla]

The conditions set by the US for a comprehensive peace agreement are widely known and nothing new. The issue is that even with the ongoing war and the US's failure to topple the Iranian leadership, they continue to insist on their outrageous demands, which amount to a complete surrender agreement.
They will not back down until their attempt to set boots on the ground fails miserably and creates shock waves throughout the American society.

In Urdu language, it is said 'The elephant has one set of teeth to intimidate others, and another set of teeth to chew on its food'.
Both sides have maximalist demands but some realism from the war is setting in both sides. I posted a NY Times link just above. While NY Times has a certain journalistic bias for Israel, it is also ruthless against Trump and also tries to present news as news. NY Times, by anonymous contacts with White House, is hinting at Trump really wants a way out of this war.

It will be very important to note if there is going to be discussions in Islamabad or not in coming few days and if VP Vance going there or not. The likes of Whitkoff and Kushner are Israelis agents and carry no weight in negotiations. But Vance does and he is against his war.

 

[Hazard]

You know the **** are about to run out of interceptors when they're requesting a month long ceasefire lol, they must think Iranians are stupid. There is no way Iran is going to agree to this, and its going to be painful for that illegal state in ME - time to get back in sewage shelters you ****, it'll be raining missiles over your heads soon. Remember what you did to Gaza? Oh how the tables have turned.

 

[RocketLaw]

Outsmarted

 

[ShapurII]

It’s basically the May 2025 deal that Argachi assured us wasn’t what Steve Witkoff was actually saying in the negotiation room……just before we got bombed in June 2025.

Well, then let's wait and see if the negotiations are real or not. Negotiating based on what Iran was offered before is a form of face-saving surrender.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Magi]

Can somebody summarize US 15-point and Iran's 6 point demands here?

Same demands as before plus opening Hormuz. The carrot is all sanctions will be lifted.

 

[Arash]

I have an idea : f... off.

1- iran givesup nukes, not the moment to do so...... the u.s won't ever be allowed to sell anything related to that to Iran.
2- missiles discussed later, Yeah right and then they reinstate blockade......

 

[Immortals]

 

[Ali_Baba]

They will want either veto rights or the bases shutdown.

These RAF bases were used to help Israel commit a genocide…..

I don’t blame Cyprus tbh..

 

[Immortals]