Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

It baffles me that Iranians haven't been able to capitalize on the Whole SAR operation beyond a Single A-10 despite lots of low flying easy to target aircraft flying.
It points to quite a few things.
1. It means that the IRGC is not able to move forces quickly. This could be due to command and control issues
2. Lack of MANPADs. This needs to be addressed ASAP
3. The US might also take notice of this and makes me wonder how the IRGC plans to stop them if they quickly move 2-3k troops inside Iran.
4. There is indeed limited air superiority. Yes a few aircraft did get shot. But slow moving UH-60s and A-10s survived and went back. The fact that the pilot was rescued looks bad on the IRGC
 
I didn't mean put them in 5 star hotel. I meant treat them according to international conventions as POW and use them for maximum messaging that Iran is not the bad guy as West/GCC has portrayed it for almost half a century. Remember that before West attacks someone, they first demonize, then sanction and isolate.
If someone hasn't already realized by now that Iran is the victim of an unprovoked war by the US and Israel, they will never understand later either. But yeah, we should treat them as POWs under international law. I agree with you.
 


This...!
Ones who talk about a ground invasion totally in the dark and amongst the most hostile regions forget that this will be remembered as good times.

That right here is the litmus test... and the test hasn't even started.


They had won on day one and after a month had their worst day yet!
 
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I mean it's pretty much as expected isn't it, only in the Muslim world do people think Iran is a superpower, to everyone else who isn't biased you can tell they have an untrained militia as their ground forces.
Bro, you only come here to bash Iran?
 
F-35 was confirmed hit and heavily damaged and out of operation
So the funny thing has Iran by now destroyed or damaged more aircraft of multiple air forces be they on the on land or air than what they did to Irans extremely obsolete air forces billions of dollars by now
 

@Kyussis If this is one of our cluster munitions, I think 10kg-30kg is a pretty accurate estimate for its weight.

We should stop firing cluster warheads though. They seem ineffective for causing widespread damage and the Israelis are no longer intercepting them. It's a foolish tactic at this point.
 


Jets so far.. doesn’t include transport/cargo/tankers planes/ Ew in saudi or blackhawk…

Fa 18 was very close to be fair they were showing that on abc tonight for some odd reason blurred the fa 18 🤦 but dozens of aircraft of have been destroyed or heavily or “lightly” damaged I will take a support plane taken out of commission versus a fighter jet or bomber(b 53 wouldn’t mind seeing one destroyed on the ground)
 
It points to quite a few things.
1. It means that the IRGC is not able to move forces quickly. This could be due to command and control issues
2. Lack of MANPADs. This needs to be addressed ASAP
3. The US might also take notice of this and makes me wonder how the IRGC plans to stop them if they quickly move 2-3k troops inside Iran.
4. There is indeed limited air superiority. Yes a few aircraft did get shot. But slow moving UH-60s and A-10s survived and went back. The fact that the pilot was rescued looks bad on the IRGC
For 1), I'd say that's probably more or less as expected, as they already said (and this generally seems to be observable too) that the entire defensive apparatus is heavily decentralized. So it's whoever is in charge (could be multiple districts, idk how the IRGC is differentiated at that level) makes their own operations as they see fit.
2) it's difficult to say if they just lack MANPADs or it's just a symptom of 1. Unless you're saying they should be handing out MANPADs to just random civilians/tribal militias/police forces, which could be a solution.

I don't think the IRGC really plans to stop any entry for 3, and kinda leads into 4. Might as well spell out what I think is the general modus operandi now, but I think they'd be focused more on identifying and suppressing any potential large scale landing in the event that occurs. If a big op occurs (imo when, but w/e) then they get to bring out other local assets, like mortars, MLRS, FPV drones, etc. You can get onto Iranian land but staying is a different beast. They'll make a sustained operation as painful as possible, I think, but they're not overly committed at all to preventing a landing or incursion.

But the scale of that kind of operation would be orders of magnitude larger than some CSAR operations, which means that the chances that you run into where a dedicated MANPADs or other SHORAD team also happens to be operating go up drastically.

Either way, 2 A-10s seem to have been destroyed over the course of this operation so far (neither made it back as far as I'm aware, one crashed in the Gulf and the other was hit and crashed in Iraq, I think). Helicopters generally would probably be flying very low when actually searching, so that makes the chances of an interception go even lower in hilly/mountainous terrain.
 
Pretty sure the WSO pilot is dead. Just protocol preventing the disclosure.

It’s been 13+ hours. It’s 11 PM local time.

If news doesn’t come out by 3 AM local time, it’s highly likely they are dead. While capture is possible, I feel like Iran would have announced it by now.
If he has been taken into custody than highly doubt they would announce it right away they would want to put him in a very secure place send a video of him eating and showing their kindness to prisoners of war
 

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