Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kobra]

 

[EugeneP]

if the US truly rescued this bastard, then Trump will certainly launch a very bold ground invasion. and by this evidence, Artesh and IRGC have zero preparedness or competence to counter such an invasion, and it will go extremely badly for Iran.

No. There isn't enough preparation or logistics for a ground invasion. Also, what exactly will be achieved with invading a country of Iran's size? Militarily, it will be a dog caught up with a fire engine situation. U.S. military couldn't do a damn thing with the garbage dump called Afghanistan. Other than create the largest dumpster fire in history.

 

[Aggregate]

The same mood made him attack Iran, after kidnapping Maduro. But it turned out very bad for him. If he wants to gamble again, it can turn out bad again.

We should not let our mood turn negative after shooting down 2 jets, damaging helicopter (wounding crew) and another A-10 in 1 single day. We do have to learn from mistakes and improve, war itself is a learning proces.

You are totally correct, everyone is ignoring the fact that 1 plane was shot down and then 2 helicopters were damaged (as per Western Media) and another Warthog plane was shot down in all of this, meanwhile it took US more than a day to rescue the pilot in a remotely undefended area, even with the advantage of knowing the location.

Everything from yesterday was a huge embarrassment for the US and even their own media were looking at pilot's rescue, as a something to get out of the fiasco after a string of embarrassments, not as some kind of a win. If anything, all front pages were insulting Trump and Hegseth at their false claims regarding Iranian air defenses.

Recovering him would not make all of this look any better for the US. I think Iran was very successful in making this all as embarrassing and loss making for the US as possible and US would actually be deterred a bit from a full invasion, knowing how much of a fiasco this one incident turned out to be.

 

[Falcon29]

It’s been over 40+ hours since the crash and 3 major cities within a 2-6 hour drive. Iran def knows. They have access to Twitter just like you do.

I'm referring the initial hours of the shot down. Within military circles.

Usually if something like this happens the military circles know before the public does.

This means Iranian AA operatives didn't believe it was shot down until reports came out. And Iranian army + IRGC network is much larger than small organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas so communicating that to appropriate parties on the ground may be an more extensive protocol

 

[Immortals]

What was special about this pilot to dedicate such military resources to capture?

Propaganda value. They don’t want Iran parading him on TV and making the U.S. and President look weak.

Do you think Russia does this stuff in Ukraine? No.

Do you think China would do this stuff? Also No.

 

[Falcon29]

why is this important? what does hitting a random administrative building in Kuwait achieve? does the US give a shit about it? does it harm the oil market?

Damages sense of security in the countries. The oil installations also are being hit. Investor confidence in GCC is going down. Has more long term effects. Insurance rates are very high due to closure of Hormuz Strait.

These nations cannot afford loss of sense of security like others can.

Israel is able to because it's home front is mainly undamaged except in severe scenarios like Oct.7. But also because Israel gets US and European economic backing to make up for it. And large investments by Jewish population around the world who not only invest but come buy property and sign up for Israeli citizenship too

 

[Persian Gulf]

No. There isn't enough preparation or logistics for a ground invasion. Also, what exactly will be achieved with invading a country of Iran's size? Militarily, it will be a dog caught up with a fire engine situation. U.S. military couldn't do a damn thing with the garbage dump called Afghanistan. Other than create the largest dumpster fire in history.

in Afghanistan the US immediately removed the Taliban from power and sent them hiding in caves for 20 years until they got bored and withdrew

 

[kobra]

Don't believe this guy. But if it ends up being true he needs to be legally liable for such leaks

Jack Murphy, a US journalist and military commentator who previously served in U.S. Army Special Operations (including as a Green Beret). He is the co-founder of The High Side, hosts The Team House podcast, and reports on national security and covert operations.

I think he is right here. Considering his military background, he may have first hand inside news.

 

[Homajon]

I see people have started dooming again because Iran didn't send 1 million soldiers into the desert to find 1 guy without any air cover. For some reason they think Trump wasn't going to invade if they couldn't find this one pilot?

It's always the same, and they do it over and over again! One negative news and they have a total mental breakdown.
There can only be positive news, otherwise Iran is doomed!

 

[Immortals]

I'm referring the initial hours of the shot down. Within military circles.

Usually if something like this happens the military circles know before the public does.

This means Iranian AA operatives didn't believe it was shot down until reports came out. And Iranian army + IRGC network is much larger than small organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas so communicating that to appropriate parties on the ground may be an more extensive protocol

Locals found wreckage pretty quickly and Iran had announced targeting a fighter jet and hitting it just hours before.

The problem is the pilot didn’t fall in flat desert terrain like Iraq, he fell in very mountainous terrain. Like finding a needle in a hay stack. He has hundreds of places he can hide.

You would need helicopters or drones with thermal imaging to find him. Assets which Iran likely cannot field any longer in this war.

He fell in a nearby province that is 50x bigger than Gaza and nearly entirely mountainous

Not sure why people think Iran could find him
Faster than the combined resources of America and Israel

 

[r4hmed]

Does anyone know if they've evacuated the civillians on Kharg or if there are any plans to? I would not even want to imagine what happens to them when operations start

 

[hussain0216]

if the US truly rescued this bastard, then Trump will certainly launch a very bold ground invasion. and by this evidence, Artesh and IRGC have zero preparedness or competence to counter such an invasion, and it will go extremely badly for Iran.

They knew where the pilot was due to beacon, tracker, comms etc picking him him, causing confusion is difficult but not impossible, especially if the areas was sparse

It's completely different trying to force thousands of soldiers into a country trying to resist, where your launch areas and points of invasion are known


Irans biggest problem will be facing the air attacks protecting any ground force, not the ground force itself

 

[kobra]

It's always the same, and they do it over and over again! One negative news and they have a total mental breakdown.
There can only be posi

Seriously some are like teenage emotional girls lol..

 

[BigMela2onin]

Propaganda value. They don’t want Iran parading him on TV and making the U.S. and President look weak.

Do you think Russia does this stuff in Ukraine? No.

Do you think China would do this stuff? Also No.

So is that propaganda value worth the exchange of military resources to obtain? Men and equipment will certainly be lost to get it. Meanwhile, the drone and missile attacks continue and ships still aren't crossing Hormuz. I think the idea that Trump would have called off an invasion because of one pilot is not realistic.

 

[dr.coomer]

Jack Murphy, a US journalist and military commentator who previously served in U.S. Army Special Operations (including as a Green Beret). He is the co-founder of The High Side, hosts The Team House podcast, and reports on national security and covert operations.

I think he is right here. Considering his military background, he may have first hand inside news.

tbh he has a vested interest in saying the pilot was rescued, whether he was indeed rescued or not has still yet to be objectively determined