Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

Trump admits 2nd pilot got injured (childkiller out of function):

"We have rescued the seriously wounded, and really brave, F-15 Crew Member/Officer, from deep inside the mountains of Iran.

 

[Optical216]

Now that we get more information about this operation the reality seems to be nuanced


1. American did get their pilot, probably in critical condition and likely many special forces were injured and killed by basij or tribal militiamen

2. Iran did down atleast 1 c130 and the helis, I don't buy the detonation story.

3. The americans did not land on a Iranian base, seemed to be some farmers road based on geolocation

 

[Ibbi32]

People here talking about how many us material losses happened and how its a victory for Iran. Us doesn't care about material losses. Everything they have lost theres hundreds of airframes to replace them and they can produce newer and better stuff that will be even harder to shoot down from what they learnt over here. You know what wouldve hurt them? A mass casualty rescue fiasco with multiple dead and injured, the us mightve been willing to end the war over that.

 

[sharreman10]

 

[Jugantor]

Yes, possible
Those planes were old near decommission, they were configured as one-way crash planes. After unloading equipment they are destroyed.

“One way crash planes”?

Really?

There’s a limit to BS!!!

Even Trump wouldn’t come up with something this smelly!!

 

[Optical216]

People here talking about how many us material losses happened and how its a victory for Iran. Us doesn't care about material losses. Everything they have lost theres hundreds of airframes to replace them and they can produce newer and better stuff that will be even harder to shoot down from what they learnt over here. You know what wouldve hurt them? A mass casualty rescue fiasco with multiple dead and injured, the us mightve been willing to end the war over that.

Very likely us losses are way more then 13 anyway

 

[RocketLaw]

There is no "mud" on the sand, look at the picture - see any mud

Looks like a huge loss for air forces over $300 - $500+ million - it is still very high to rescue one person. Come on, the clear path is to get any missing person and leave the place immediately without massive plane loss!

We never saw this in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

Please check old movies, you will not see massive multiple loss of aircrafts loss.

 

[Master Chief]

Misleading train of thoughts. Opening the SoH and destroying the energy infrastructure of GCC is the current approach of IRGC - and it does make sense.

Freedom of navigation (FoN) is the only logical and credible argument the US has against Iran on a global stage right now.

It is not a coincidence that Iran is gradually opening the strait while destroying more and more production and storage facilities on the other side of the shore.

@ShapurII is right. Freedom of navigation does not apply in Iranian or Omani territorial waters.

Indeed, the seabed and the airspace above the waterline is also part of national territory.

Iranian law is applicable in Iranian territory.

The jurisdiction of canals is similar.

 

[ShapurII]

Who cares about a bankrupt country with no influence.

It's not about the country, it's about disrespect. Argentina designated the IRGC a terrorist organization and declared our envoy persona non grata.

Iran has been a punching bag in diplomacy for far too long.
Countries should learn that we have red lines and when they cross them, there will be diplomatic consequences in response to their action, if we can't do more.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

People here talking about how many us material losses happened and how its a victory for Iran. Us doesn't care about material losses. Everything they have lost theres hundreds of airframes to replace them and they can produce newer and better stuff that will be even harder to shoot down from what they learnt over here. You know what wouldve hurt them? A mass casualty rescue fiasco with multiple dead and injured, the us mightve been willing to end the war over that.

How do we know that didn't happen? Are we to believe the western/epstein media?

 

[Yasser76]

Good to see as more evidence appears the narrative of an epic US operation is eroding, you would have thought we would have learnt our lesson by now about believing first reports from US based accounts, but obviously not.

Right now Iran is proving pictorial and video evidence and US reports are giving us words from "unnamed sources".

Make me think of May 7th again. If we did not have an actual pic of a Rafale tail, Indians would have convinced the world none were lost.

Credit to Iran in keeping it's narrative clear and consistent, think we will see the US "truth" about this evolve even more in the next few hours or days

 

[Aggregate]

WTF is wrong with this guy ?

Who talks like this while being the president of a country ?

Does US Democracy not allow for mental checks on the guy who is supposed to make serious decisions ?

Note : This is actual TruthSocial screenshot I took directly .. its not fake, if anyone's wondering.

 

[Meengla]

There is no "mud" on the sand, look at the picture - see any mud

Looks like a huge loss for air forces over $300 - $500+ million - it is still very high to rescue one person. Come on, the clear path is to get any missing person and leave the place immediately without massive plane loss!

We never saw this in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.

Please check old movies, you will not see massive multiple loss of aircrafts loss.

Yes, the visuals are horrible!! And horribly negative portrayal of this rescue mission. Material losses are not unimportant and I believe there will be more needs for rescues in future.

 

[lightning f57]

This is a loss for Iran, but a pyrrhic victory for the US

At least multiple aircrafts were obliterated in this fiasco

I'm confident Iran will get them next time, and even more in case of an invasion

Look at this objectively, all that equipment lost by US is not a loss for Iran its a gain regardless if they have 000s of these craft. A total win for Iran would be both pilots captured and a total win for US not to lose so many aircraft including the F15 in first place.

So both sides can walk away with something and this is less humiliation for trumpy.

 

[sharreman10]

It's not about the country, it's about disrespect. Argentina designated the IRGC a terrorist organization and declared our envoy persona non grata.

Iran has been a punching bag in diplomacy for far too long.
Countries should learn that we have red lines and when they cross them, there will be diplomatic consequences in response to their action, if we can't do more.

I agree with you, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a distraction imo. A lot of countries are using this conflict for their own internal affairs.