Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[MH.Yang]

That's not really surprising, is it?

China arms our regional adversaries and that's not against regional stability, but selling weapons to Iran endangers regional stability. Go figure!

Iran is alone in all this. Russia is a Jew-infested society in its elite circles and China is not any better because of salesmanship and lack of similar long-term visions with us.

Now, before the Chinese member get offended, I'm just stating this as a fact with regard to Iran. I have nothing against your country.

China has sold various weapons, including J-10, to Iran before. Iran refused.

When China sold weapons to Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Iran War did not break out.

China has always banned the sale of military supplies to Israel.

China does not consider Arab countries as enemies of Iran, and has been committed to mediating the relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Before the death of President Lacey, China was close to success.

 

[Shags101]

There is 210 tons of spent fuel rods on the site. I think Israel is going to bomb it this week once the deadline runs up.

These peripheral strikes are just warnings to the Russians to evacuate.

Maybe but I don’t think a nuclear meltdown or the fall out it will cause is going to make the world and Arab and European countries caught in that fall out overly happy I don’t think even Trump is that crazy enough to see what happens when Chernobyl 3.0 happens

 

[Immortals]

If you were wondering where are the helicopters for the rescue mission

@Persian Gulf

@ShapurII

 

[Shags101]

Not a fat chance of Americans doing it. They have never done that in the past. They leave such matters to propaganda arms.

That’s the past this is today under trumps rule

 

[lightning f57]

Diplomacy/Relations are not based on whims/emotional outbursts/mood swings.

They actually are. Case in point Donald Trump

 

[ShapurII]

China has sold various weapons, including J-10, to Iran before. Iran refused.

When China sold weapons to Arab countries such as Saudi Arabia, the Iran War did not break out.

China has always banned the sale of military supplies to Israel.

China does not consider Arab countries as enemies of Iran, and has been committed to mediating the relationship between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Before the death of President Lacey, China was close to success.

When did China sell Iran J-10s? In what fantasy world do you live in?

You pitched J-10A to us. Does it surprise you that we weren't interested in it? When we asked you for J-10C, you refused to sell it.

Well, guess what? The weapons you sold them is being used against Iran in the war. You didn't just sell them weapons. You gave them ToT and set up production lines too.

Iran also does not consider Japan to be an enemy of China. And we also think that Taiwan is a friend of China. If you want to live in delusions, feel free to do that.

You have been actively selling game-changing weapons to Arabs like long-range missiles and drones while refusing to sell Iran defensive weapons. This will be recorded in history of our relations.

 

[Immortals]

Important announcement by Houthi’s this afternoon.



Note: past Houthi announcements have been underwhelming.

 

[Master Chief]

Israel said sorry to Qatar on US order. So....

Meaningless context. Tel Aviv strayed from the plan by attacking its own vassal that day. Tel Aviv itself realised it was not in its interests and that Tehran was the objective. As you can now see, Tehran itself will destroy these puny Gulf vassals while Tel Aviv saves its resources. The GCC nations are beyond redemption by now. They have chosen to be simple serfs to others.

Every time Israel acts independently and without telling Trump (and Trump himself stated this EXPLICITLY 2 weeks back), it carries on doing so without any regret, even doubling down, except in that Qatar episode where it realised it was not in its own interests.

 

[clutch]

Trump's 48 hours

 

[Immortals]

Note: All PGCC countries say they intercept everything. The important take away from their announcements is knowing they were attacked in some fashion

 

[Shags101]

Important announcement by Houthi’s this afternoon.



Note: past Houthi announcements have been underwhelming.

Unless they have video of those strikes with those drone that hit Israel you never know but I’m with you less announcements and just do it

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Brzezinski once listed China, Russia, and Iran as the Big Triangle countries that could threaten US hegemony. Why can Iran be on par with China and Russia? Of course, it's because of the strait.

Now is the opportunity for Iran to use the strait to make the world aware of its importance, and all accusations and insults will be borne by Trump and Israel.

That's a pretty weak Big Triangle to lean on if pipelines were simply built to bypass the strait. It's not like they don't have the money to do it. It's just that they didn't invest heavily in it (yes they have the single Red Sea pipe).

Basra oil is scheduled for the first time to be exported via the Turkish port of Ceyhan, a source at the North Oil Company said Monday, marking a new phase in Iraq’s oil export operations following a recent agreement between the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) and the federal government.

Iraq is trying to circumvent the Hormuz blockade. So far, Tehran didn't attack any energy infrastructure that is linked to Turkey. The pipeline has its limits, though. It can only carry 10% of Iraq's oil exports. Enough to survive but too little to live.

This is exactly what I mean about a weak Big Triangle if simply pipelines can get around the strait problem.

China even invested in a railway line all the way to Europe to get around any naval blockade. Do we think pipelines cant be rerouted around the strait?

 

[Blain2]

I have been here for 15 years or possibly more. So, yeah, after 15 years of discussing politics with the Pakistanis, I understand a thing or two about it.

I don't get your rant about the representation of the Shiite in the Pakistani system of governance. I didn't even talk about it and it doesn't matter to me. I don't get its relevance here either.

Pakistan does not have any means of being more than a messenger in this so-called Accord. First of all, Pakistan is not a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Hence, if this so-called "Accord" is even agreed upon by both sides, and it gets violated by the US tomorrow, Pakistan will be nothing by a bystander per international law.

Secondly, Pakistan does not have a military weight that enables it to challenge the United States in a future conflict with Iran. Sure, you have nuclear weapons but your nuclear arsenal is not even remotely comparable to the US arsenal. And your conventional capabilities do not match the US capabilities either. Your air force is good against an incompetent regional power like India, but will be obliterated against the USAF and USN. You are a regional power at best.

Your ceasefire proposal was one-sided. I don't need to be able to read the minds of Pakistani politicians to see that. Iran gets nothing certain from that deal, literally nothing, while the US achieves one of their main objects in the first step of the deal, i.e. to open the Strait of Hormuz, and they can replenish their depleted ABMs. Also, there is no reason for Iran to agree to US nuclear demands when the US has failed to achieve them through war. So, yes. It is one-sided and you drafted that deal with the presence of KSA, which is a belligerent state in this war.

First rule, when you post here, don't call what others post as "rants". Otherwise everything you post is no more than a silly rant. Hope you get the point.

"I don't think the same is true about the Pakistani system though."

You stated this first and that is why I expanded on the make-up of the Pakistani system since you were projecting that our government thinks differently. It does not. I dilated upon it since you brought it up. Please pay attention to what you write instead of attacking others.

Second, there aren't that many brokers in this space. You can question our government's motivations till kingdom come, that won't solve this war for you.

Third, not a single one of your point stands to the test of time and previous mediation efforts.

All countries that "broker" are essentially messengers. Unless Iran had a diplomatic presence in the US or vice versa, you do need messengers to get things started.

Pakistan does not need to have "military weight". That is not the job of the broker/messenger. What weight did Qatar have brokering peace in Gaza? Or Turkey brokering Russia-Ukraine war? These are all efforts from "neutral" entities. Pakistan's own military weight is of no consequence here. The only question that matters is are both sides ok enough to use the good offices of Pakistan to relay messages. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less.

"Your ceasefire proposal was one-sided. I don't need to be able to read the minds of Pakistani politicians to see that. Iran gets nothing certain from that deal, literally nothing, while the US achieves one of their main objects in the first step of the deal, i.e. to open the Strait of Hormuz, and they can replenish their depleted ABMs. Also, there is no reason for Iran to agree to US nuclear demands when the US has failed to achieve them through war. So, yes. It is one-sided and you drafted that deal with the presence of KSA, which is a belligerent state in this war."

That speaks to your lack of understanding/information. Pakistan did NOT propose anything. It took the list from both sides and conveyed them. This happened before the lists were made public on social media by both sides. Iran is obviously going to get NOTHING from the deal because the deal has to be negotiated. The basics of negotiating are that both sides come with their maximalist positions and then some mediator/broker tries to help bridge the difference. So not sure where you got this "one-sided deal" story from. There is nothing factual in it.

At the end of the day, Iran is taking damage, as is the Gulf, Israel and the US. Maybe they will avail of the good offices offered by Pakistan, and maybe they won't. I just mentioned that Pakistan's motivation is to see this war end and it is not out of concern for the US.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Iranian demands
Looks like we are just exchanging proposals

 

[Immortals]