Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[D. John Trump]

Your name.

Name should not be a concern of anybody.until forum rules are not violated.

 

[KingQamaR]

US doesn’t need a middle man - it is perfect capable of brokering “peace” by itself.

Iran has laid down the terms extremely clearly.

Iran cannot afford another meek “peace deal”.

Future of Muslims are at steak!!

During the Nixon administration (early 1970s), Pakistan acted as a crucial secret bridge for the USA to open diplomatic relations with China.

Pakistanis is trying hard but I am sure Trump & Satanyahu will do something to sabotage any peace deal. Great effort by Pakistanis.

Should be appreciated by everyone and not to be slagged off .

 

[lightning f57]

Any ceasefire will need a guarantor. Happy if Pakistan plays this role. If Israel breaches it we will have an excuse then....

Unfortunately China wont take that role then someone needs to but they need to be able to enforce peace.

 

[Aziqbal]

Any more info, was it hit? were the ASBMs intercepted by accompanying destroyers?

I think these kind of missile launches are down to keep the Americans off guard

and also show that if they try Straits of Hormuz they will fail

they dont necessarily want to hit these warships but rather to give off a signal?

although I would like to agree that Iran should hit them

 

[ShapurII]

First rule, when you post here, don't call what others post as "rants". Otherwise everything you post is no more than a silly rant. Hope you get the point.

It did sound like a rant. You started to talk about the role of Shiite people in the Pakistani system while I hadn't mentioned it or challenged it at all. Neither do I care about it. I don't care whether a person is Shiite, Sunni, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist or of any other faith or religion. I judge them by their words and actions.

Second, there aren't that many brokers in this space. You can question our government's motivations till kingdom come, they won't solve this war for you.

Quite frankly, I don't remember when Iran asked you to solve this war for us. It's our war and we have to fight it, we never asked you to "solve" it for us. It was your own initiative because you are also being affected by this war, particularly economically.

Third, not a single one of your point stands to the test of time and previous mediation efforts.

All countries that "broker" are essentially messengers. Unless Iran had a diplomatic presence in the US or vice versa, you do need messengers to get things started.

Well, a messenger does not draft a proposal after a meeting. Oman was a broker in the US-Iran nuclear talks. Did it draft a plan of its own?

Pakistan does not need to have "military weight". That is not the job of the broker/messenger. What weight did Qatar have brokering peace in Gaza? Or Turkey brokering Russia-Ukraine war? These are all efforts from "neutral" entities. Pakistan's own military weight is of no consequence here. The only question that matters is are both sides ok enough to use the good offices of Pakistan to relay messages. That is it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Refer to my earlier point. A broker does not draft a solution of its own. It just facilitates indirect exchanges, but it doesn't propose a framework for the two parties to agree upon.

Qatar is one of the founders and financers of Hamas. Do you seriously think that Pakistan-Iran relation is comparable to Hamas-Qatar relations?

That speaks to your lack of understanding/information. Pakistan did NOT propose anything. It took the list from both sides and conveyed them. This happened before the lists were made public on social media by both sides. Iran is obviously going to get NOTHING from the deal because the deal has to be negotiated. The basics of negotiating are that both sides come with their maximal positions and then some mediator/broker tries to help bridge the difference. So not sure where you got this "one-sided deal" story from. There is nothing factual in it.

No, it did not take the list from both sides. You seem to be gravely misinformed and yet you pretend to be an expert on it. Pakistan came up with its own "two-phase truce" solution which both parties rejected immediately and had never even talked about a two phase deal. Iran had made it quite clear that any truce must be final and have guarantees. Iran had already rejected the idea of a ceasefire. So, your proposal, or whatever it is called in technical terms, directly went against Iran's stated stance.

In the first phase of your proposal, the US achieves one of its main objectives in this war (reopening of the Strait of Hormuz) without giving any concessions. It also receives 45 days for replenishing its interceptors that are nearly over, as well as their standoff weapons. Also, it's a ceasefire, meaning the US can resume the war after 45 days. If you cannot see how that is one-sided and completely against Iran's interests, then I cannot help you more than this.

At the end of the day, Iran is taking damage, as is the Gulf, Israel and the US. Maybe they will avail of the good offices offered by Pakistan, and maybe they won't. I just mentioned that Pakistan's motivation is to see this war end and it is not out of concern for the US.

The Persian Gulf. Iran is quite fine with absorbing damages. It's a small cost that Iran has to pay for securing its national interests and security.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Desert]

Unlikely - Iran lacks the ability to protect any meaningful concentration of troops or armour in the open right now. It will turn into Highway of Death very quickly.

Highway of Death - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

how about sabotage missions ?

 

[Immortals]

 

[Aziqbal]

No, there is no ground invasion happening of Arab countries by Iran. Makes zero sense and Iran doesn’t have the ability to provide logistics to those forces across the Persian Gulf.

agreed it would be a suicide mission and as soon as they withdraw US will hit them like "Highway of Death" which the British had to clear up in 1991 and some of them died of depression and mental illness it was so horrific for some

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[sharreman10]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Kharral]

The sentiment is nice and all, but Pakistan can't guarantee shit against Israeli belligerence.

All the better, gives us a legitimate excuse to join & fulfill our destiny.