Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
Iran does not want an endless war. But from Tehran’s perspective, if the choice is between a temporary ceasefire after which the war is likely to resume, and continued fighting under current conditions, it is more likely to keep fighting, not to “open the straits” on someone else’s terms.

Any proposal put before Iran would have to include not only a halt to the current operation, but also a credible commitment that it will not be resumed - in effect, an end to the campaign. It would also have to narrow future talks to two issues only: Hormuz and the nuclear file, explicitly excluding missiles and support for regional allies. And those talks would have to take place on the assumption that Iran retains both its leverage over Hormuz and its nuclear capabilities.

From the Iranian point of view, this is the only realistic path to stopping the war.

Further escalation, including strikes on Iranian infrastructure, is unlikely to change these core calculations. If Washington is unwilling to move toward these terms, then it will eventually have to expand the war without illusions about the cost—particularly the enormous consequences for the global economy.
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Iran MUST not reopen SOH, until and unless it is paid all damages in cash, released all frozen assets with interest, and they charge a fee on ever passing oil tanker.
 
ThoroughPro said:
Iran MUST not reopen SOH, until and unless it is paid all damages in cash, released all frozen assets with interest, and they charge a fee on ever passing oil tanker.
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Yeah I’m a perfect world that would happen but I will take Iran charging the world to use their territorial waterways like Egypt charge for the Suez Canal
 
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"🇮🇷🇺🇸 The "official" F-15 rescue mission story:

April 1: Report Trump aims to seize Iran's uranium
April 3: Top U.S. Army officials fired over Iran dispute
April 3: U.S. F-15E shot down over Iranian soil
April 3: U.S. reportedly extracts 1 of 2 pilots from Iran
April 3: 2nd pilot suffers concussion & sprained ankle
April 4: 2nd pilot runs 200km & scales 2km mountain
April 4: Rescue mission deploys with 100+ special ops
April 4: Said 'rescue mission' involves 155 aircraft
April 4: Search mission lands near Natanz nuclear plant
April 4: Landing location is 200km from F-15 crash site
April 4: 2 military transport planes 'get stuck' in mud
April 5: USAF bombs grounded C-130 & helicopters
April 5: Special ops forces evacuated from Isfahan site
April 5: Trump claims they evacuated second airman

This is a bullshit story created to cover up the disastrously failed uranium heist operation..."

From X post.
 
Shags101 said:
rt

i agree but probably right even with cover ups on military sites but definitely in the beginning they had plenty of interceptors to blunt the initial attacks not anymore though
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There was a report last week claiming that 80% were getting through but here come JP Morgan with a claim of "27%". I thought JP Morgan was a bank, not an impartial military expert source. Professor Ted Postal of MIT who is an expert in the field says that Interception rates were never higher than 3-4% at best, most here believes the hype that they had a 97% success rate of Interception.
 
Immortals said:
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It was a Fatah-1, you can see it activate its booster to go hypersonic towards the end.
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They should save those for Israel maybe tonight please
 
Immortals said:
My point wasn’t the Efficiency of the platform but picking up the radar signals of Americans 5th Gen platforms.

This is one of the rare times F-22 and F-35 are flying without their RCS reflectors.
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To be honest, the rcs of the 5th gen aircrafts is not that hard to be detected, especially in the dawn of the 6th gen aircrafts.

The US is worried that their 5th gen aircrafts might be risked of getting knocked down, so they might simply conduct less sorties with the 5th gen aircrafts.

If you keep knocking down their 4th gen aircrafts like the F-15 and F-16, you might have a chance to lure more 5th gen aircrafts, and you might get more chance to knock it down.
 
Kyussis said:
There was a report last week claiming that 80% were getting through but here come JP Morgan with a claim of "27%". I thought JP Morgan was a bank, not an impartial military expert source. Professor Ted Postal of MIT who is an expert in the field says that Interception rates were never higher than 3-4% at best, most here believes the hype that they had a 97% success rate of Interception.
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Well when your launching 6 to 12 interceptors in the beginning of the war you can expect higher interception rates to be fair also you have multiple countries helping them now these countries are like damn we helped them out but now we getting the raw deal
 
Mehrabad airport in Iran is burning badly

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Hamartia Antidote said:
hmm the F-22 fighter is not as efficient as the F-15E Strike Eagle...which is the two man version of the single seat F-15 fighter...and is designed for ground attack. :unsure:


Yet they are flying over Iran on attack missions...


Too bad Iran didn't find you guys worthy enough to knock on your door.
Nor have you offered fighters to help them defend their airspace.
www.bbc.com

Ukraine receives first F-16 fighter jets - Zelensky

The arrival marks a crucial milestone in boosting the capabilities of Ukraine's air force, which largely relies on old Soviet-era jets.
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No needs to be salty, you can also try to knock down China's prestige 6th gen aircraft via some sort of proxy war with the future given opportunity.
 
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@Shags101
@Persian Gulf
@ShapurII

Why would you be sending an artillery brigade if peace is on the horizon? Or operations are wrapping up in 2 weeks.
 
Arash said:
What's your opinion on the outcome ? Just curiosity.
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Am going to guess of Cold War and Desert Storm?

The Cold War was an absolute necessity. When I was on the F-111E (RAF Upper Heyford), I managed to snag a controlled tour to East Berlin. Yes, back then active duty personnels can play tourists in communist countries under appropriate conditions, anyway, after three days in East Berlin, I returned to the West with renewed conviction that resisting communism was the morally righteous thing to do.

As for Desert Storm, Iraq under Saddam Hussein must be contained and after the invasion of Kuwait, he sealed his own fate with his own pen. But after DS, it was at best a C- on how the US occupied and ran the country. Some things we did right, some not. To this day, speaking for myself, I do not believe DS was the wrong thing to do, and that it was necessary.
 
ChineseTiger1986 said:
To be honest, the rcs of the 5th gen aircrafts is not that hard to be detected, especially in the dawn of the 6th gen aircrafts.
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I thought the HQ9 system Iran bought from China supposed to be able to pick up 'stealth'.

ChineseTiger1986 said:
The US is worried that their 5th gen aircrafts might be risked of getting knocked down, so they might simply conduct less sorties with the 5th gen aircrafts.

If you keep knocking down their 4th gen aircrafts like the F-15 and F-16, you might have a chance to lure more 5th gen aircrafts, and you might get more chance to knock it down.
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Bunk.
 
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