Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Musings]

So a ground invasion is coming for sure..

2nd and last time. Either add some thought and discussion and remove the 1 liners. Its becoming monotonous

 

[LeonBlack08]

Trump is a retard and talking out of his ass.
1. There is no complete regime change
2. You cant kill an entire civilization overnight

These unprecedented statements may be outrageous but simply untrue because he has lost his marbles.

In a way Trump is doing Iran a favor with his tweets. The more unhinged his tweets get, it indicates more control Iran has over the situation.

All the censorship is for nothing when the commander in chief is exposing what's going on in US camp.

 

[Optical216]

Are we likely to see a USA/China war in 2026, or 2027 ? The Americans will want to jump into while they still have a large military advantage over China as most of the Chinese systems are in the early stages of development, or manufacturing(J-20/J-35 - Aircraft carriers etc ).

The key thing to watch will be Taiwan, in particular when they announce "independence" under influence from the USA to kick start a war.

Time, is on the USA's side right now.

Even if Iran comes out of this war as free, and independent, the loss of Iranian oil infrastructure will have an effect on China's war machine as the USA has unrestricted oil supplies, and China can be cut off from all its suppliers except for Russia now.

No, china can send USA back to stone age and vice versa . This is a stupid opinion, any game usa plays with china in chinas backyardf ewill lead to total annhilation of USA and china.

 

[Optical216]

In a way Trump is doing Iran a favor with his tweets. The more unhinged his tweets get, it indicates more control Iran have over the situation.

All the censorship is for nothing when the commander in chief is exposing what's going on in US camp.

censorship wont matter because us military still gets the message.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

If Iran stops now it will be a historic mistake. Not that this circus show of a government ever listens to me.

Iranian messaging is not clear and the leadership irresolute, uncertain. They came to power to appease a rational west they thought they could work with... one that worked within parameters and letter of the law.
Worse yet... they have been burned multiple times! At least four major times and multiple other times by the same orange clown. Who scraped JCPOA, killed Soleimani, sucker punched first set of negotiations and did that again the second time.
What is it that Iranians do not understand?
What is it that keeps them going back to burn on the same fire?
What makes them think that it will be different the next time around?
Except that they work to achieve peace in the neighborhood by removing the scrooge.

Nothing less than removal of the bases would do... Iran could have gone nuclear in the first Bush(dubya) term and the person responsible to undo destiny was murdered by a sociopath adamant on imposing zionist supremacy in the region. The Supreme leader appeased a coalition that was out to get him where he thought he was suing for peace. The result of which is nothing but to grow a thicker skin and go nuclear. It will forever cement Iranian position in the region.
And tell you what I hope more go nuclear because apparently not doing so only allowed the tiny parasite to hold the region and the world for ransom.
About time it is dealt with!

 

[onlinpunit]

How important is a name? You think this removal of Islam in a name will make a difference?
Why on earth would you see the relevance in this name my little Hindu friend?

You completely misunderstood my post. What I am trying to say is that they can have a normal republic like turkey or pakistan. Without islamic council on top of pyramid.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Flotilla]

1. The Iraq-Iran war lasted 8 fucking years. If you see how much destruction each day is causing us, we will soon pass the Iraq-Iran war in a couple of weeks.

2. This is by far the weirdest thing I have read today. Going back, nobody wanted China to have nukes. Nobody wanted India to have nuclear weapons. Nobody handed Pakistan nukes on a silver platter either. The whole situation with nukes was a chain reaction, historically speaking. Heck, the Americans didn't want even the British and the French to develop nukes after the Soviets did. How do you guys come up with this sort of nonsense?

Moreover, if you are such good rational players respecting the post-WWII status quo, then why the **** are you challenging the US and Israel? Pick one, you can't be both at the same time.

That is not true. Go to YouTube and see how much people wants Irán to have nuclear weapons, even in US.

 

[Musings]

What I am trying to say is that they can have a normal reopublic like turkey or pakistan. Without islamic council on top of pyramid.

IMO - wouldnt make 1 iota difference bro.

 

[Ibbi32]

@Shags101
@Persian Gulf
@ShapurII

Why would you be sending an artillery brigade if peace is on the horizon? Or operations are wrapping up in 2 weeks.

An arkansas brigade? The units with state names in them are American national gaurd units. Afaik USNG deployments to middle east are very rare and they are ussually if ever deployed only to Europe. It is clear that this will not be a deployment of ready units anymore but mobilising reserve units as well. Us are preparing for long term deployments and likely invasion

 

[Aryan_B]

Under these circumstances Pakistan should threaten Israel with Nukes and carry out if necessary

 

[PakistanLVR]

Its not a great Idea to give Israel's Vassal slaves access to our country especially when it comes to our infrastructure. What was the point of the Islamic revolution if we are to go back to the days of the shah when the Shah had to lower his gaze around U.S contractors?

fair points. Just like IAEA or whatever its called shared information with the entity and that's how they prepared to hit out at Iran's scientists.

 

[ShapurII]

The sanctions were just facade. China and Russia couldn't openly act against the NPT and openly support a Korean nuke, so they voted for sanctions.

Source: trust me, bro.

Over the years, I have read extensively about the topic of nukes....it would be way too time consuming now to talk about it, so very short:

Even before the establishment of the NPT, but especially after the NPT every country that got a nuke only got it because they had the support of at least one major nuke country.

But even Russia and China are against an Iranian nuke, and that is also the reason for Khameneis fatwa: not because he really believed that nukes are Haram, but because he knew nobody would accept an Iranian nuke.

And if theoratically tomorrow Iran would test a nuke, then only because Russia and/or China somehow changed their mind....but as long as that does not happen, Iran will NEVER have a nuke....accept it!

Again, source: trust me, bro.

 

[Starlord]

I was a staunch supporter of Iran's building nuclear weapons like N.Koreans did, that not only safe guard Iran but also pushed KSA to secure their own nuclear weapons, and then we will have not 1 (Pakistan) but 3 major Islamic powers with nukes. This false assumption that if KSA/Iran has nukes they will be launching at every chance they get, they used to say that same about Pakistan and North Korea, and history is evident that countries with nukes has secured their countries and made level headed decisions, Iranian leaders who ever stop Iran from getting nukes has done the biggest disservice to their country.

World will not be the same going forward, as civilians who were once protected under conflict Despite them being caught in cross fire many times, now countries will not give a damn about it, Bibi started this with Gaza and not a single world leader came forward to stop it, Russia rolled over Ukraine and now Iran is pretty much gone, if survived it wont be same Iran. What a shitty world we live in, Covid, wars and conflicts nothing but misery.