Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Bengal71]

Iranian messaging is not clear and the leadership irresolute, uncertain. They came to power to appease a rational west they thought they could work with... one that worked within parameters and letter of the law.
Worse yet... they have been burned multiple times! At least four major times and multiple other times by the same orange clown. Who scraped JCPOA, killed Soleimani, sucker punched first set of negotiations and did that again the second time.
What is it that Iranians do not understand?
What is it that keeps them going back to burn on the same fire?
What makes them think that it will be different the next time around?
Except that they work to achieve peace in the neighborhood by removing the scrooge.

In this regard, the Iranians have a certain similarity with the Russians.

Both of them are in a clash with the west out of compulsion. Given then choice, both would like to be in good terms with the west instead if collision. Collision it is for now because if was imposed on them, not that they desire it. They unwillingly engage in the collision looking back again and again with despair and hope they west could be friends.

 

[Flotilla]

The sanctions were just facade. China and Russia couldn't openly act against the NPT and openly support a Korean nuke, so they voted for sanctions.



Over the years, I have read extensively about the topic of nukes....it would be way too time consuming now to talk about it, so very short:

Even before the establishment of the NPT, but especially after the NPT every country that got a nuke only got it because they had the support of at least one major nuke country.

But even Russia and China are against an Iranian nuke, and that is also the reason for Khameneis fatwa: not because he really believed that nukes are Haram, but because he knew nobody would accept an Iranian nuke.

And if theoratically tomorrow Iran would test a nuke, then only because Russia and/or China somehow changed their mind....but as long as that does not happen, Iran will NEVER have a nuke....accept it!

Maybe you're right, but IMO It is a mistake.

The only way Israel and US would accept a neighbor military power aligned with Russia and China is the nuclear weapon.

Also from a factual point of view, why Irán always had the will to keep enrichment capability??. It is something that is contradicting this determinist point of view.

 

[Yasser76]

This is going to the brink, but that is what very high level negotiations are like, both US and Iran know this is not worth the price now.

My guess is a very last minute deal.

The alternative is too horrific to imagine, and the thought of Saudi and PAF jets bombing Iran along with US and Israel truly sickens me to the pit of my stomach

 

[maverick]

But he said energy sector will be his focus. Why sudden fascination with rail?

so the weapons couldnt be transporated via rail. The plan is to completely cripple iran.

I wonder what Pahalvis are saying? helping iranian people ?

 

[ShapurII]

In this regard, the Iranians have a certain similarity with the Russians.

Both of them are in a clash with the west out of compulsion. Given then choice, both would like to be in good terms with the west instead if collision. Collision it is for now because if was imposed on them, not that they desire it. They unwillingly engage in the collision looking back again and again with despair and hope they west could be friends.

Honestly, if Iran loses this war, my only consolation will be that we will turn anti-Russia and anti-China and will act 100% against their interests in every situation by being the best US lapdog ever.

You can see how China and Russia have been dead silent about Trump's genocidal threats in the last 3 days.

 

[mythbuster]

Hold your horses , there's still a reasonable chance of reaching some deal.....FM muneer has thrown all the eggs in the deal basket.

 

[F.O.X]

What "another punch" has Germany or Japan thrown at the US? Maybe I am missing something, but they seem pretty docile and obedient to the US, as far as I can see.

You’re missing the point. “Another punch” doesn’t always mean military revenge. Japan and Germany are actually perfect examples of why survival matters more than destruction. Both were completely defeated, yet today they are amng the world’s largest economies, technologically advanced, and globally influential. They didn’t need to fire another shot at the US to regain power and dignity.

Power is not just military. It is economic strength, technological capability, global influence, and internal stability. By staying alive and rebuilding, they positioned themselves as major players again. If they had chosen total destruction over survival, they would not exist in any meaningful way today.

The point is simple: if a state destroys itself in the name of resistance, it loses every future option. Survival preserves leverage. Dead states don’t resist, rebuild, or influence anything.

 

[Himalayan]

I think Iran should close all direct and indirect diplomatic channels with the U.S. immediately. The war has entered a new phase. Make israhell a real Hell . Act decisively.

 

[Bengal71]

Just now on Twitter:

An Indian on twitter is your source?

That 'rule' you mentioned may have played out, but it's not the rule you are making it out to be.

 

[Homajon]

Also from a factual point of view, why Irán always had the will to keep enrichment capability??. It is something that is contradicting this determinist point of view.

There is a big difference between a nuclear weapon and a nuclear weapons capability!

 

[mythbuster]

Honestly, if Iran loses this war, my only consolation will be that we will turn anti-Russia and anti-China and will act 100% against their interests in every situation by being the best US lapdog ever.

You can see how China and Russia have been dead silent about Trump's genocidal threats in the last 3 days.

What do you expect from them ? Declare war on US ?.,... drink cold water and chill

 

[Ali_Baba]

Hitting railways helps to stop logistics across the country and may affect Iran's ability to respond to invasion at specific points, but, they are also very easy and cheap to repair.

This is the clearest signal that a land invasion is about to take place.

 

[Majestic]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[lightning f57]

trumpy is huffing and puffing as his cornered, his trying to scare Iran into submission.

Lets look at the options rationally,

1) Nuke - would dropping a nuke stop this war? if so where would they drop it? this would also be unprecedented and will make the world a much much more dangerous place you will have many nations rushing for the bomb. There is no guarantee either the IRGC would stop fighting even if nuked. So I think this talk of nukes is abit over blown, but one can not discount it given you have a lunatic in the WH.

2) Infrastructure bombing - I think its more likely a carpet bombing campaign against Irans economic, transport and power infrastructure will take place. This is to cripple Iran and give severe pain to the Iranian people. These are typical zionist nazis tactics which failed in Gaza, in Lebanon and will fail here too. IRGC will not open SOH even if all key infrastructure is destroyed. This will lead to all GCC key infrastructure being destroyed and Israel will be targeted too.

3) Ground invasion - this could happen along with point 2 above, first to soften around certain areas and invade. This will also not force the SOH to open and if they try to do it by boots on the ground they will take high losses. Other thing trying to secure the nuclear material could take weeks thats even assuming they know where it is and they will take high losses again.

All 3 of these options on the face of it look like a complete failure for trumpy and the US, only viable one is pursuing meaningful peace with tempered demands not surrender demands.