Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

You’re missing the point. “Another punch” doesn’t always mean military revenge. Japan and Germany are actually perfect examples of why survival matters more than destruction. Both were completely defeated, yet today they are amng the world’s largest economies, technologically advanced, and globally influential. They didn’t need to fire another shot at the US to regain power and dignity.

Japan was already quite advanced before World War II. Large parts of mathematics, physics and chemistry in the 19th century were developed by the Japanese and the Germans. Germany was single-handedly defeating all European powers before the US and the Soviet Union got involved. Iran is nowhere close to those two countries in WWII.

Power is not just military. It is economic strength, technological capability, global influence, and internal stability. By staying alive and rebuilding, they positioned themselves as major players again. If they had chosen total destruction over survival, they would not exist in any meaningful way today.

The point is simple: if a state destroys itself in the name of resistance, it loses every future option. Survival preserves leverage. Dead states don’t resist, rebuild, or influence anything.

I don't disagree with any of this, but for this to happen, the Islamic Republic must end. The deal you guys are talking about is not about that. It's completely different. It is about delaying the inevitable, while giving the Americans more time to prepare for the inevitable.

Whatever is going to happen, whether we are going to win this war as the Islamic Republic or not, it should happen now.

 

[Homajon]

An Indian on twitter is your source?
That 'rule' you mentioned may have may have played out, it's not the rule you are making it out to be.

So you seriously want me to give you formal rule written in international law?

 

[Bengal71]

Honestly, if Iran loses this war, my only consolation will be that we will turn anti-Russia and anti-China and will act 100% against their interests in every situation by being the best US lapdog ever.

You can see how China and Russia have been dead silent about Trump's genocidal threats in the last 3 days.

Russia doesn't have capability, neither the will.

China has the capability but not the will.

Did Iran have a deep and trusted allied relationship ever with China? I don't think so. Iran never looked for allies, Iran only engaged in transactions.

This is one of the F ups of IRI leadership in addition to not building the nukes.

 

[ShapurII]

What do you expect from them ? Declare war on US ?.,... drink cold water and chill

Issue a statement condemning his genocidal threats, at least?

They cannot even issue a diplomatic statement now?

As I said, I would happily live in a US puppet state if it means our resources will be employed to hurt China and Russia. Russia doesn't even deserve to exist as a unified country.

 

[Optical216]

Russia doesn't have capability, neither the will.

China has the capability but not the will.

Did Iran have a deep and trusted allied relationship ever with China? I don't think so. Iran never looked for allies, Iran only engaged in transactions.

This is one of the F ups of IRI leadership in addition to not building the nukes.

i think u need to be in proximity with china to get full benefit there are only 2 actual allies of china 1. Pakistan 2. North Korea

 

[Haz]

They are hitting railway bridges too. And they are doing that to stop large troop movements in Iran. It's a prelude to a ground invasion.

Damn I thought it was the railway tracks. Yes, the bridges are a serious problem if that's the case, that's not good. This guy has truly gone mad and doesn't know what he's getting us all into, someone needs to take another attempt on him.

 

[ShapurII]

Russia doesn't have capability, neither the will.

China has the capability but not the will.

Did Iran have a deep and trusted allied relationship ever with China? I don't think so. Iran never looked for allies, Iran only engaged in transactions.

This is one of the F ups of IRI leadership in addition to not building the nukes.

Iraq, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Sudan, Vietnam; do I need to say more? Give me a break.

 

[MirageV3ff]

My prediction if the ceasefire is reject entirely:

Strategic weapons used against Iranian infrastructure (power plants, missile and drone production facilities)

Greater SEAD and DEAD ops around Qeshm and Larak islands, setting up for an invasion

Delta operations around Iran as they target key offensive Iranian launch sites and setting up a basis to acquire and relocate Iranian enriched uranium stockpiles. Or atleast attempt to. What happened on Sunday did prove the Americans can conduct CSAR operations and set up FOBs/FARPs with relative ease within Iran

 

[mythbuster]

Issue a statement condemning his genocidal threats, at least?

They cannot even issue a diplomatic statement now?

As I said, I would happily live in a US puppet state if it means our resources will be employed to hurt China and Russia. Russia doesn't even deserve to exist as a unified country.

I am lost , don't know how to answer your post ! I have empathy and anger running parallel.

 

[Starlord]

Iran cannot build a bomb. They should have tested one like 30 years ago. Now? It will never be allowed to have one. It what it is.

I think best time for Iranian nukes was between 2001 to 2010. America was pretty busy with Afghanistan/Iraq and Arabs were having time of their lives with Arab Spring, Iran may have got some trouble or maybe few strikes but with nukes secure they would not have seen this day.

 

[Flotilla]

There is a big difference between a nuclear weapon and a nuclear weapons capability!

I agree. So why you keep the oil and eggs for making a omelette when you won't do It.
To me sounds odd.
I agree also during a looong time Islamic Republic just kept in the refrigerator this capability, but we're all sure that Israel and US won't never let Islamic Republic to hold the oil, and became a military power in the Middle East. Let's be honest, they want another Sisi, Mohamed bin Salman or Abdalá, just another dollar oil trader dominated by Israel, which is the brand of US in MENA Region. So the only way to break this trend is making the omelette.

 

[Majestic]

 

[Master Chief]

My speculation here is that Iran has prepared for a ground invasion owing to its geography instead of venturing out in the open and get picked much easily. Which also explains a deeper and resilient defensive setup.

Though they'll have to go on the offensive in the region to disable/dissuade any perch available to mount an attack against Iran.

Fully agree. This is perhaps the only reasonable tactic they can achieve in such asymmetry. The ability to strike enemy "muster points" in the Gulf nations or in the adjacent waters is absolutely crucial.

Someone here mentioned that Saddam was undone because he couldn't stop the Coalition from doing exactly this - sounds about right.

 

[KingQamaR]

The only thing I can think of in this case is ...
"A general can refuse the order since it's an incursion not declared war... And any further action such as USA of nukes account towards escalation ladder requires approval of Congress because that would come in declaration of WAR"..
It's not disobedience but standing up for constitution.

Unfortunately brother, what’s happened to American Military is now full of suckers and losers. 12 US Army Generals, including An Army chief of staff were removed last week by drunken P Hegseth probably for refusing to commit more war crimes. I do believe US top brass are sworn to disobey illegal orders. Like you say, And now is the time to have the strength to do that. Bc Trump is desperate his next move is to Nuke Iran as he doesn’t have any other plan.

 

[Starlord]

My prediction if the ceasefire is reject entirely:

Strategic weapons used against Iranian infrastructure (power plants, missile and drone production facilities)

Greater SEAD and DEAD ops around Qeshm and Larak islands, setting up for an invasion

Delta operations around Iran as they target key offensive Iranian launch sites and setting up a basis to acquire and relocate Iranian enriched uranium stockpiles. Or atleast attempt to. What happened on Sunday did prove the Americans can conduct CSAR operations and set up FOBs/FARPs with relative ease within Iran

I wouldn't call it "Relative Ease" it was a operation that could turn into a disaster, to create a base to extract that enrich Uranium they need a lot more forces, and more planes/force mean more prone to a high casualty disaster.