Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Zarvan]

A ceasefire would be a historic mistake by Iran, likely due to immense pressure from the liberal elite class and the reformists working to convince the Larijani-like elements to rein in the IRGC.

I said from the beginning of the war, and the proof is in this very forum that IRGC would fight till the 40th day death memorial of SL Ali Khamenai. It looks like they plan to do just that if it weren’t for the 5th column inside this country.

That will depend on whether the USA decides to really go crazy, and Iran can shoot down several USA planes. If they manage to do that at the start of the mission, in that case, yes, otherwise it would be Iran that may end up regretting not going for the ceasefire.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Go and bloody read the last few pages, you f@ujeet retards think like this. Your overlord FM Muneer signed it without having any authority and mandate, now the fanboys are out and about defending.

Why dont you bloody tell me, if there is full blown war between Iran and Saudi, which side you think your beloved FM (not Pakistan) will be, considering the whole narrative of this war and how this all started.

Yes you do, to Saudi for bank rolling your nuke program, truth be told

not happening ever.
if it was that simple then Pakistan wouldve nuked Yemen much earlier.
let Alone Iran.

take it easy.

 

[Flotilla]

Hashtrud-Tabriz bridge was hit and now the Mianeh-Tabriz. Both Hashtrud and Mianeh are south of Tabriz. They are attempting to isolate Tabriz. Keep an eye on the Baku/Turkey axis.

Any ground operation will be a bloodshed at least. If something has proved that exfiltration of HEU (ehem, brave warrior ) It is that even armed civilians will confront whoever enters the country. But Mad Pete is a genuine cocaineman and his máster seems to be at best senile, so whatever can happen... Hope you're wrong anyway.

 

[r3alist]

Yes and Iran seems to have learned from this Zionist mass deception by not repeating that same mistake in the current war!

But how do you see Iran maintaining it's position the longer this goes on?

Previous situations are instructive to a point.

Going blow for blow within certain levels of destruction is workable but then USA firepower and willingness to follow through is real

 

[PakSword]

Pact in fact is an insurance policy , in case the Americans back out and leave Saudis in the doldrums.....pact will not be invoked unless Saudi Arabia is in danger of being run over by Iran ..
Fat chances...

No one knows what the pact is. But how the janta is behaving (those who represent regime's narrative), it's not very difficult to assume that we are trying our best to save our ...

 

[Forsvaret]

I think the high price of fuel in Pakistan and thoughts of it going up even more are leading to nervous breakdowns lol.

Meanwhile, the energy prices are at its cheapest here in Norway after our parliament overruled the govt by amending the law & thus cutting all stupid climate taxes on carbon based fuels.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I am not going to fight on your "meme" turf and claim victory. jog along.

lmao thats all you do man

say one liners , dumb names and cry foul all the time

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-latest-iranian-ballistic-missiles-were-intercepted-or-allowed-to-fall-in-open-areas/

Very weird how do you not know if they were intercepted or allowed to fall into open spaces

 

[ShapurII]

So can Iran my Firend -> peace works both ways... it also gives time for cooler heads to prevail

IMO -> Islamic Rules of war teach us -> Treaty for peace > fight war now.



Iran can deploy equipment to dig out tunnel entrances -> move equipment between logistic hubs, ingest any industrial production of launchers in to safe storage.

Journalists can campaign for war crimes and damage... and recap of war lessons

ALOT can happen in 45 days

You are engaging me in a conversation that is already over in my opinion.

I will repeat it for the last time, hoping that people will no longer reply to me on this.

This is what will happen after 45 days:
1. The US will replenish the AD in the region that is already on the verge of running out completely.
2. The US forces will be stationed and prepared to launch a ground invasion of Iran. The US amphibious ships will pass through the Strait of Hormuz.
3. The US will bring in more standoff weapons to reduce potential casualties.
4. An oil shock and energy crisis will be avoided, neutralizing Iran's winning card.

On the other hand:
1. Iran will be able to produce 200, 300 or at the most optimistic scenario 400 MRBMs again, all of them or more will be used to exhaust the AD in the region again. So, no gain here, all loss.
2. Iran will lose its islands and oil exports in the Persian Gulf because the US will have amphibious ships and enough troops to invade them. No gain, all loss.
3. Iran will not be able to resolve its main vulnerabilities, i.e. an air force for troop movements and close air support. The 45-day ceasefire changes nothing for the IRIAF or the IRIAA. No gain here either.
4. Iran cannot produce a nuclear bomb in 45 days either. Again, no gain here.

Conclusion: No gains for Iran, all gains for the United States.

And this is the end of this discussion for me. Anybody who recommends Iran to accept a temporary ceasefire is betraying Iran in my opinion. Period.

 

[PakSword]

not happening ever.
if it was that simple then Pakistan wouldve nuked Yemen much earlier.
let Alone Iran.

take it easy.

Sorry, your legitimate parliament decided in the case of Yemen after proper discussion.

 

[Forsvaret]

But how do you see Iran maintaining it's position the longer this goes on?

As per Iranian popular propaganda (LEGO videos), their true goal is not to "win" this war but to hold it in a perpetual stalemate — thus bringing about a new regional order from mass disruptions in world energy supply.

 

[Ibbi32]

What

Because Pakistanis realizing they are getting fcuked up due to KSA leadership evilness and Iranian arrogance.

Pakistan has done everything it can. GoP has done excellent job so far balancing relations, we are getting oil out of strait with permission from iran and saudis are giving us deffered payments. Pakistan doesnt need to choose one side or another. If Iranians and isrealis-Americans want to kill each other we should not step in to stop them. Conversely GCC countries are reaping the benefits of secterianism and shitty zionist politics.

All the best to everyone involved ,dont drag us into your shitshow

 

[Immortals]

 

[r3alist]

As per Iranian popular propaganda LEGO videos, their goal is not to "win" this war but to hold it in a perpetual stalemate — thus bringing about a new world order.

That sounds harder than winning almost...... and implies perpetual cost, the ability to absorb this cost, as long as you seek perpetual statemate

You also need some heavyweight backing for this new world, as well as tolerance of disruption from neutral and friendly countries

 

[Aryan_B]

3 possibilities:

1. Trump is bluffing, in which case, yes, betrayal in form of a deal would be bad
2. Trump is not bluffing, but Iran has some plan to push back or cause collateral damage in such a way that US has to retreat. Fine, no need for a betrayal either.
3. Trump is not bluffing and Iran has no workable plan to deal with the consequences.

In first 2 cases, yes, maybe we can talk about betrayals and other moral responsibilities.

In the 3rd case however, I would hope someone like Pakistan can convince Iran to back out in a way that keeps Iran's survival for a better future to come, maybe once US empire completes its natural time.

I'm not saying which ones of these outcomes will happen. I'm just saying that Just, just in case of the 3rd outcome, a deal in works might be better than nothing.

Remember Gaza, morality and principles, etc, unfortunately, unfortunately, do not always matter if there is no way out of a bad situation. Its always better to have some remote way out, even if it feels like a defeat.

trump is bluffing imo.