Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Sir, what I think is being mooted is a cessation for some period to allow meaningful and conclusive talks to take place before things go into an apocalyptic spiral.

2 weeks two days five days, Pakistan can only suggest some time period that notionally satisfies the main parties.

If it does not succeed then fine, who here in Pakistan even from official sources is suggesting iran surrender




Apparently this is how Iranian friends are now seeing Pakistan.

It doesn’t matter who is brokering the ceasefire. 7 parties, 31 countries negotiated the JCPOA and it took only one country to break the agreement. Israel never honored a ceasefire before. Its not going to be different this time. Why would it be different this time?

 

[kobra]

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It appears you were simply too impatient to wait. You must think wars should move on a Tik Tok/Instagram expedited timeline to fit your wants.

Its not about patience. its about upcoming loses and suffering of normal civilians. Do you argue that one side can deliver much much more pain on the other and there is huge imbalance of strength.

Daily salvos of 10-12 missiles did not prove painful enough for israil to stop hitting civilians. otherwise these rats are most cowardly crying bunch. if they were receiving unbearable pain, they would have stopped already.

 

[RocketLaw]

 

[clutch]

I suspect America will still attack. Just like last time. Negotiations are a ruse.

The real power is Israel and they are calling the shots.

NuttyYahoo knows this is it. He needs this war to continue.

Do NOT listen to Trump. Ignore Pakistan (They are the Oman of this phase)... See what IsraHell is saying. They are the ones who have the Epstein Blackmail on Trumpy.

 

[Immortals]

Translation: 5 missiles hit their targets, but MBS will execute me if I tell the truth

 

[unconventional]

I can assure all the Iranian posters here that if Pakistan was confident Iran could offer knockout blows to Israel and the US, it would not have offered any such ceasefire proposals.

But while Iran has caused some damage to Israel and US bases in the region, it has caused significantly more damage to the GCC countries, who are quite important to the Pakistani economy as well.

Yet, Pakistan abstained in the UAE resolution on the SOH, and has been trying to convince the Saudis to resolve issues with Iran peacefully (instead of triggering the defence pact).

Pakistan has a deep seated interest that the IRI regime stays in power. Any terms Pakistan will present as options will always keep the IRI regime in power, as well as maintain their military programs.

 

[Blain2]

Voting yes or no was going to put Pakistan's entire peacemaking effort into jeopardy. Abstention was the only path available to Pakistan to continue offering its good offices for peace.

 

[Blain2]

Let's see which way this goes. Perhaps Iran will take the hits and absorb them. All possible.

 

[Falcon29]

2 weeks = USA gonna replenish Israeli supply of munitions and Israel gets a break from Lebanese and Iranian front

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For Iran = US pulls back some demands and puts forth new proposal. Trump appears less humiliated so he can calm down and say he won war even if demands aren't met

Iran can dig up few missiles and reposition some stuff to allow for 20-30 missile barrage on Israel on day 1 of resumed war but after that goes back to normal

Chances are this leads to permanent ceasefire. However it resets Trump 60 days, allows him to go to war from get go again. Gives time for Pentagon to draft new strike options

 

[ShapurII]

Yet, Pakistan abstained in the UAE resolution on the SOH, and has been trying to convince the Saudis to resolve issues with Iran peacefully (instead of triggering the defence pact).

Pakistan abstained because her vote didn't matter at all.
The US already had 11 votes, and it was up to China or Russia to veto it or the resolution would've been passed.

The UN Security Council consists of 15 members: 5 permanent members with the veto right and 10 temporary/rotating members. For a resolution to be passed, 9 out of 15 members should vote yes with no vetoes from the permanent members.

 

[Falcon29]

 

[kobra]

I say put the entire onus/blame on Pakistan's insistence and prodding if it gives the two sides an off-ramp. I sincerely hope the two sides take the off-ramp and not let the Zionist bastards derail it yet again.

"To allow diplomacy to run its course, I earnestly request President Trump to extend the deadline for two weeks. Pakistan, in all sincerity, requests the Iranian brothers to open Strait of Hormuz for a corresponding period of two weeks as a goodwill gesture. We also urge all warring parties to observe a ceasefire everywhere for two weeks to allow diplomacy to achieve conclusive termination of war, in the interest of long-term peace and stability in the region. "

I think Trump will agree to two weeks deadline extension here and Iran will agree to not attacking GCC. as for Hormuz, It will be interesting to see what iran says.

 

[Shags101]

Its not about patience. its about upcoming loses and suffering of normal civilians. Do you argue that one side can deliver much much more pain on the other and there is huge imbalance of strength.

Daily salvos of 10-12 missiles did not prove painful enough for israil to stop hitting civilians. otherwise these rats are most cowardly crying bunch. if they were receiving unbearable pain, they would have stopped already.

People start becoming pessimistic it’s war it’s not a sprint to the finish it’s a marathon it’s who has will and endurance to make it to the finish line no matter if your body is battered you end the race in your own two feet it’s a win

 

[kobra]

 

[r3alist]

Nobody cares about favorable internal pressure in the West. We don't, they don't, Israel doesn't.

If Iran accepts a ceasefire, we have lost the war. It is a premature declaration of surrender. And I hope the Islamic Republic would be kicked fast and get replaced by whatever regime that will be subservient to the US.

Ok bro, not to flog a dead horse, but there is a distinction between a temporary cessation, versus agreeing to overly generous terms of a temporary cessation.

No one is asking for the latter, but they are trying to get to the former



And this notional period is likely to be just the first attempt and you may end up going back to war anyway, but at least that clarifies a terms of reference for a future negotiation.

You see the subtlety here is to prevent a disastrous spiral with some pause for a ceasefire and negotiation.

Just because you agree to a ceasefire hardly means you accept a surrender, that is nonsense if you retain the ability to continue, then you simply continue

And ultimately Iran does want to come to the negotiating table