Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Blain2]

I suspect America will still attack. Just like last time. Negotiations are a ruse.

The real power is Israel and they are calling the shots.

NuttyYahoo knows this is it. He needs this war to continue.

Do NOT listen to Trump. Ignore Pakistan (They are the Oman of this phase)... See what IsraHell is saying. They are the ones who have the Epstein Blackmail on Trumpy.

They are attacking right now. It isn't as if the two sides are not firing on each other daily, in large volume. So what ruse are you talking about when a live war is already going on?

This situation is nothing like Oman's peace-efforts. Those were happening before hostilities started. Now we have full-fledged war going on with a chance of getting a lot bloodier and damaging.

Details and facts matter.

 

[hussain0216]

To all my Pakistani brothers, let's be honest here. The only reason you think this ceasefire is a good deal is because your country is involved in this. No problem I would maybe feel the same as you. But from an Iranian POV I don't understand how you can take this. Please put yourself in our shoes.

A lot of this is smoke and mirrors

Let's take the possible two week extension, their may not be any resolution in two weeks

However it's a further two weeks of Hormuz closure without some crazy U.S bombing campaign


People are looking from the outside and second guessing the diplomatic gamesmanship being played by all parties

Much of what Pakistan is doing, Iran will be in on and it will be centered on trying to stop the U.S going full retard

 

[ShapurII]

I f*kn knew it.

But he is a neutral mediator! That makes no sense.

 

[hasssanali8998]

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

I f*kn knew it.

Yeah like Shabaz sharif is Oxford graduate to be able to compile this tweet .. off course Someone drafted it for him... Conspiracy theory
His older brother famous URDU LINE IS
"HUM PAKISTAN KO CHAND KA RAKH DEIN GAY" MIAN NAWAZ SHARIF...

 

[Blain2]

I f*kn knew it.

I can assure Ryan Grim it isn't PM Shahbaz posting those messages.


It is his staff and they are adjusting the messages by the minute given how quickly things are moving.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I f*kn knew it.

Do u geniuses not know that pm has a team that writes these

 

[Goenitz]

Unless Israel gets hurt, nothing matters. The US and Israel won't mind the Gulf getting destroyed. They are only concerned about Harmuz and the oil supply.
So, Iran can prolong, and the region keeps getting softer for Israel to dominate. Therefore, if Iran can cause significant damage to Israel somehow, the war won't stop. The US doesn't care about petrol prices and their effects on the rest of the world.

 

[Blain2]

It shows neutrality. That doesn't matter, but just a gesture.

Yes, and it is calculated. Pay attention to the details.

 

[Ibbi32]

To all my Pakistani brothers, let's be honest here. The only reason you think this ceasefire is a good deal is because your country is involved in this. No problem I would maybe feel the same as you. But from an Iranian POV I don't understand how you can take this. Please put yourself in our shoes.

Brother i will speak plainly. Pakistan doesnt give a **** about iran or iranian people. Nor does it particularly care about arabs. Some Pakistanis may care for either of them but they are personal opinions and not state policy. The official state policy of government of Pakistan is protecting the interests of Pakistan and part of that is ensuring affordable energy supply to Pakistan which can only be done via an open strait and stable prices. Pakistan is trying to do a ceasefire and trying to stop strikes to protect itself from energy shocks nothing else. This is something both iranians and Pakistanis fail to understand. As much i as a Pakistani support iran against Zionist aggression i will not be open to a blockade of straits as that harms my country Pakistan and its intrests.

 

[Starlord]

I mean if Iranians are not happy then they can reject the PM's proposal, its not like SS is pressuring Iran to accept it, if any Iranian leader accept SS terms and Iranians don't like it then they can either hang their leaders or elect new ones. Simple

 

[Immortals]

Iran wants to be the First and last nation to get bombed in negotiations 3 times in one year

@Persian Gulf

@ShapurII

@Shags101

 

[Blain2]

But he is a neutral mediator! That makes no sense.

What is not "neutral" about it? There is an ask for both sides. That is called mediation.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This proposal is a joke that doesn't appreciate Iranian predicament nor does it understand that US nor orange can be bound by any party least his own word.

Opening the straits will undo the damage and pain that is about to cause pain to the whole architecture on the backs of this naked aggression. Of course no mediation can understand the absolute recklessness here... because the mediator will assume the two parties as equals when they clearly are not.

That is how skewed and sordid this is and how an outcome can go totally south for Iran. As US demands(absolute capitulation) and therefore ones from the mediators will default for a pro US position. I'm afraid Iranians will have to stick to their guns to make US drop its demands...

Because anything less will mean a repeat of this at the most opportune time for orange.
Don't capitulate for anything less than US withdrawal, a visible and verifiable one... the only way make sure that a repeat is not in the cards. The rest of the details canbe worked out over time.

 

[ShapurII]

Brother i will speak plainly. Pakistan doesnt give a **** about iran or iranian people. Nor does it particularly care about arabs. Some Pakistanis may care for either of them but they are personal opinions and not state policy. The official state policy of government of Pakistan is protecting the interests of Pakistan and part of that is ensuring affordable energy supply to Pakistan which can only be done via an open strait and stable prices. Pakistan is trying to do a ceasefire and trying to stop strikes to protect itself from energy shocks nothing else. This is something both iranians and Pakistanis fail to understand. As much i as a Pakistani support iran against Zionist aggression i will not be open to a blockade of straits as that harms my country Pakistan and its intrests.

Who told you that Iranians fail to understand that?
You're too late to the party, I said the exact same thing like tens of pages before this post.