Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

It was stupid, but she did what she has to protect her country and people, yes Trump snatch Maduro anyway but that save her country from total destruction and blockade.

Machado hated Maduro and wanted to be president. What are you talking about? She was like Reza Pahlavi begging Trump to bomb her country and loot it.

Even now she wants to go back to run against Delcy and the Trump admin doesn’t want that.

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No, but both Pakistan and India were looking for off-ramp before things got really destructive. This is what Pakistan is advising both sides.

For some odd reason, the entire chagrin is at Pakistan very unfairly. I can guarantee, sometime down the road, Pakistan will be lamenting and reminding "See, we told you all".

Hi I am new here. Been following this thread as a guest, made an account because I have real difficulty in understanding Pakistan proposed ceasefire. It is completely one sided in favour of Israel/America. Tantamount to capitulation of Iran and deliberate back stabbing by Pakistan ( I will explain in abit as I present my argument)

1) Strait of Hormuz.
That is the biggest Iranian leverage. Even opening up strait of Hormuz for a few days will..
A) Allow all the tankers stranded there to move out.
B) Also will cause rapid emptying of oil storage capacities. Filling up of storage in the current situation will lead to drastic cut down in oil production which takes a much longer time to recover.
C) Will drastically bring oil prices down.

2) Will allow Israel and America time to accumulate more interceptors which Iran is so much trying to deplete, increasing its chances of hitting targets.

3) Will give the aggressors time for maintenance of its aircraft which has seen significant sorties.

4) Can allow them to gather forces uninterrupted without any risk and give them time to more comprehensively plan.

5) Break the momentum of Iranian people and give aggressors time to sell it domestically, a front at which which they are facing significant blowback.

Now coming to why I said BACKSTAB.

1) It shifts the blame/impression on solely Iran that it rejected even a supposed friendly country proposal while America accepts it (there is no reason why they won't as it is completely one sided) , while alleviating trump of backlash globally (especially his ratings and support among Americans).
At the same time portraying Iran as warmongering and against peace).

Completely shifting the narrative of war and providing trump an allaby to go harder in a couple of weeks.

THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO DESTROY IRAN INFRA-STRUCTURE ANYWAY AFTER 2 WEEKS WITH MUCH LESS CONSEQUENCES THAN NOW.
WE ALL KNOW THIS.

If Pakistani system actually cares about Iran as is it trying to sell it is, if
1) Comprehensive end of hostilities not a ceasefire with guarantees.
2) Not insisting on opening of strait of Hormuz and rather developing a consensus with Saudi and Qatar after the end of hostilities to develop a joint plan with Iran and Oman.
3) Work towards a new security arrangement in middle east and try to bridge differences.

Without any of this. It just reeks of back stabbing, apart of plan to put down Iran softly without noise.
 
It was stupid, but she did what she has to protect her country and people, yes Trump snatch Maduro anyway but that save her country from total destruction and blockade.
You're thinking of Delcy Rodriguez, Machado had nothing to do with anything that happened in Venezuela
 
Very admirable of China


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I think US and Israil has got the new Supreme leader last night in Qom, or maybe he has scumbled to his injuries (Rumors where there that he was injured badly)
 
Machado hated Maduro and wanted to be president. What are you talking about? She was like Reza Pahlavi begging Trump to bomb her country and loot it.

Even now she wants to go back to run against Delcy and the Trump admin doesn’t want that.

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Yeah i know that, but she get on Trumps good side by doing this stupid gesture, history won't record this nobel prize as Trumps anyway, but if this act can save her country and people then its a small price to pay.
 
I f*kn knew it.


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After reading tweet of this guy I can only say that he is a true reflection of his name Ryan Grim, dark, gloomy and devoid of sense and reason.
 
Yes the Iranians do, they would want to negotiate the amount of reparations and compensation they are due assuming this plays out as they hope, this is from iran's own statements
Iran will not be given a penny. If anything, Iran will be forced to pay Arabs reparations based on the UNSC resolution passed by Bahrain against Iran, which formally recognizes Iran as the aggressor on Persian Gulf sheikhdoms.

So that is coming to the table but as victors imposing terms to The losers.

It ultimately depends now how you imagine this to come about, and how realistic that is
I hope our terms of surrender also include a secular state.
 
There will be no cease fire. Why on earth should Iran do this again, now that they are running low on interceptors?

Let them bomb. Their peak bombing is already over.
If Iran cannot retaliate again in a meaningful way, then the calculation changes.
 
I have a question for the Iranian posters here: what did Iran do after the 12 day war last year to shore up its defences?

It focused on its missiles, but did not focus on improving its defences.

The US and Israel controlled the airspace from day 1 in the 12 day war last year, and they did the same this time as well.

We only got unconfirmed reports of Chinese assistance once the US/Israel had established their aerial dominance.

So these are mistakes Iran has to rectify, ceasefire or not.

If Iran is confident of delivering knockout blows to Israel and the US in the region and surviving itself in the process, I am sure Pakistan would have no issues with that outcome, but I am not confident Iran can achieve that right now.
 
Perfectly fine response by Pakistan in the prevailing environment.

You carry on nitpicking aka missing the forest for the trees. ;-)
I think I was clear in my response.
I even endorsed the first statement on how we articulate our statements about attacks on Gulf countries (as a mediating body).
Anyway, people see what they want to see.
 

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