Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

As I explained before, this 'pause' is necessary for the Israelis to deal with Hezbollah in the meantime while the attacks on Iran are simply postponed.

It is no coincidence that Beirut gets destroyed as we speak.

Somebody here shared a recent report that the Israelis are evacuating southern Lebanon. I hope it's true.

Being an ally of Iran is dangerous.

Yes, being an ally of Turkey has worked wonders for Syria.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Not UAE, Israel did it.

Not really clear, and UAE is the extension/copy of Israel. Iran must start hitting them very harsh and include some burjs and Israeli investments there.

 

[Blain2]

Total Iranian surrender brokered by Pakistan and China.

Who forced Iran to accept terms of the "ceasefire"? Mind you, this is not a peace deal which is what really has to be negotiated.

 

[clutch]

 

[waqas88]

Somebody here shared a recent report that the Israelis are evacuating southern Lebanon. I hope it's true.

This should be a deal breaker from Iran's side. I understand compromising on anything else, even everything else it's their country, their decision. But Lebanon should not be abandoned.

 

[RocketLaw]

Lebanon

 

[Hayabusa]

F**K off hegshit.

Take whatever this imbecile says with a pinch of salt.

He's face looks defeated and he knows the blowback will be on him and Jared for pushing onwards with the war.

 

[bengalcdn]

Hezbollah is a non state actor , you may appreciate it's Valor and other good things that it has done , however , it has no right to exist as an armed entity outside the control of the state of Lebanon.

If hezbollah isn’t allowed to exist, then neither should the hijri Druze terrorist group in Syria, and all the Kurdish terrorist groups and militias backed by us / Israel shudnt exist either

 

[Himalayan]

One good hit to Burj Khalifa will end UAE into a parking lot.

 

[lightning f57]

That's what a ceasefire means. Cease fire! He is not saying anything strange.
They will resume the war if Iran doesn't accept their terms of surrender, handed to us in Islamabad.

I think you have to trust the Iranian leadership they just went through a war many died and im sure there is anger yet they decided to pursue peace. This was Irans decision not Pakistans, sure pressure was applied but they could have said no, I was expecting a no but glad we have a chance to pause reassess. 2 weeks is not allot of time to make a big difference on the battlefield given what Iran endured but diplomatically may help come to reasonable agreement.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Is not it poetic the fact Pakistan with The AQ Khan network gave Iran nuclear blueprints 20 years ago. Iran snitched on Pakistan to the Americans. That’s partly why Iran got sanctioned and Pakistan kept its bomb.

20 years later Pakistan is now the mediator between the US and Iran.The country that was snitched on is now fixing the situation for the country that snitched. And walking out as the winner.

Pakistan ends this with its nuclear program intact and a new status as a geopolitical mediator.

The most strategic move the GCC can make right now is follow Saudi Arabia’s lead, sign defense pacts with Pakistan, invest in its economy, and formalize what’s already obvious: Pakistan has the manpower and the bomb.

The Pakistani diaspora in the Gulf makes this economically seamless.

This is the Muslim NATO framework I outlined months ago and that was forming before the war:Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi, Egypt as a counterweight bloc against the secessionist i.e Israel, India, UAE

UAE-Pakistan relations cooling, the lines are getting clearer.

Turkey already has a base in Qatar. Pakistan has the nuclear deterrent. The Gulf has the capital.

The architecture is there. It just needs political will

 

[Blain2]

Pakistan pull off a master class in Diplomacy and probably saved thousands of lives, destruction of ME and countless other things. It is astonishing to see that there are less 3 dozen pages on this thread acknowleding the Historic Feat Pakistan has achieved. Out of 8128 pages of this thread, 8000 is mainly members spreading useless fake news. But what really matters is NOT being discussed. What a offal and pathetic attitude to have. whether or not you like Asim Munir, he has pulled of something many world leaders can only dream of.


Surah Ali 'Imran 3:26
“O Allah, Owner of Sovereignty. You grant sovereignty to whom You will, and You strip sovereignty from whom you will. You honor whom you will, and You humiliate whom you will."

My friend, you have absolutely nailed it!

As a human, I am grateful that no more lives will be lost (if further negotiations bear fruit inshallah). As a Pakistani, I am immensely proud of the role my country's (Pakistan) leadership has played (our internal politics and considerations be DAMNED!) and full marks go to them for having orchestrated this. As a Muslim, I am thankful to the Almighty and happy that the murder of more Iranian/Muslim lives has been stopped.

 

[Himalayan]

Your remarks amount to undermining diplomatic relations between Iran and other countries and are not for the benefit of Iran.

First of all, such negotiations must be agreed upon by both the United States and Iran. China, Pakistan, and other countries have no power to force Iran to compromise.

Secondly, the end of any war is accompanied by the signing of a ceasefire agreement. This is simply to provide an opportunity for a peaceful resolution of the war.

Most importantly, you are in the United States—can you feel the suffering of the Iranian people? Many Iranians in China choose to return to Iran to defend their country; may I ask, have you gone back?

Your remarks are just like Trump’s, extremely irresponsible.

maybe he is depressed pahlavist.

 

[HAIDER]

Is not it poetic the fact Pakistan with The AQ Khan network gave Iran nuclear blueprints 20 years ago. Iran snitched on Pakistan to the Americans. That’s partly why Iran got sanctioned and Pakistan kept its bomb.

20 years later Pakistan is now the mediator between the US and Iran.The country that was snitched on is now fixing the situation for the country that snitched. And walking out as the winner.

Pakistan ends this with its nuclear program intact and a new status as a geopolitical mediator.

The most strategic move the GCC can make right now is follow Saudi Arabia’s lead, sign defense pacts with Pakistan, invest in its economy, and formalize what’s already obvious: Pakistan has the manpower and the bomb.

The Pakistani diaspora in the Gulf makes this economically seamless.

This is the Muslim NATO framework I outlined months ago and that was forming before the war:Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi, Egypt as a counterweight bloc against the secessionist i.e Israel, India, UAE

UAE-Pakistan relations cooling, the lines are getting clearer.

Turkey already has a base in Qatar. Pakistan has the nuclear deterrent. The Gulf has the capital.

The architecture is there. It just needs political will

The correct source is here,

How Pakistan’s A.Q. Khan Helped North Korea Get the Bomb​

Islamabad and Pyongyang exchanged technology, cash, and expertise.​

How Pakistan’s A.Q. Khan Helped North Korea Get the Bomb

Islamabad and Pyongyang exchanged technology, cash, and expertise.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Here are some facts for you:

1. The Iranian parliament is yet to vote on the bill for leaving the NPT, even though it was proposed with the highest urgency.
2. Israel has hit the Lavan refinery and the Siri island after the ceasefire came into effect. Iran has reported these incidents as "explosions of unknown origin".
3. Qatar has already called Iran "an aggressor" and has called on Iran to pay reparations.
4. Israel is still advancing in the south of Lebanon and says Lebanon is not included in the ceasefire.
5. Trump has already contradicted his earlier post on TS, rejecting Iran's 10-point proposal as a base for negotiations.
6. Kushner and Witkoff will attend the US negotiations with Iran.
7. Just in: JD Vance says Trump's patience with Iranians is over, i.e. he is threatening us. He says Iranians should not underestimate "President Trump".

And all of this has happened less than 12 hours after accepting the ceasefire!

Per Trump, China helped them convince Iran to accept the ceasefire. So, we were most likely pushed to accept the ceasefire by China and Russia against the wish of our armed forces. They probably made it clear to us that we should either accept the ceasefire, or the resolution would be passed at the UNSC.

They didn't lift the sanctions on Iran. They allowed their allies to buy our oil to control oil prices. That is completely different from lifting sanctions. The US primary, secondary and UNSC sanctions are still in place.

Zarif talked about our terms of surrender and it happened a few days after that. Do you still think that the IRGC calls the shots?

It is absolutely correct to be cynical and circumspect. But there are legitimate factors in play... not only domestically in the US... where among other things Orange has taken a huge hit due to his own recklessness owing in part because of his cognitive decline and deceit as second nature... but more importantly globally... oil, fertilizer, helium... are all immediate concerns... the markets were manipulated to keep the prices from reflecting the real cost... they still do. A reflection of that is the premium over spot being charged... but that isn't all... fertilizer is needed NOW... helium is needed for all the chips and manufactured product due in fall. Still not the most important thing 10 year bond yields were reaching 4.5 a threshold where things start spiraling in an already tough fiscal year... if EU and Japan hit recession they'd be bound to pull their trillions out of US system. This deal averts a systemic crisis that only ones presented with real numbers and data streams can fathom.

Sure, in the negotiations there is likely going to be back and forth... but this is the starting point. The biggest caveat is not US here though, it is zion that will burn the world in order to rule over it... which remains an enduring concern.

Other than that this war simply couldn't have been pushed into next month... which means this is likely it! The window of opportunity as I noted earlier in a post in January was only until spring to achieve an outcome.