Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds



Well the mediation shared the tweet that all agreed on... it can all go south very quickly.
If they wanted to see the C&C it worked... the resolve and morale of the masses is intact. If orange is playing mind games ... it will back fire very quickly. The tanker and ship movement must be controlled as well as any movement in and around gulf indicating repositioning or resupply would be the biggest tell. Which is why I said the good faith indicator for a ceasefire must have been evacuating bases in the region.
 
Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing
I think trump was in a dementia state begged by his staff to agreed to a deal that sounded better for him whilst iran heard a different deal. You can argue wether or not pakistan lied and gave them different deals but both sides seem to be referring to seemingly non existant and different deals.
 
Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing
In my opinion that is not the case.

US is deliberately backtracking because of Israel.

What is in that Epstein file and the level of influence Israel has in US is shocking.
 
My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.
Pakistan handed the US and Iran a nice ladder to climb down with a smile. Don't take it? Then the Persian Gulf is about to host a very messy reality show. Anyhow by the way do you value sincerity of Pakistan open strategy or you just want to beleive in ur perceived conspiracies?
 
I think trump was in a dementia state begged by his staff to agreed to a deal that sounded better for him whilst iran heard a different deal. You can argue wether or not pakistan lied and gave them different deals but both sides seem to be referring to seemingly non existant and different deals.
No. Trump retweeted Iran's FM's 10-point plan. I saw that.
Well the mediation shared the tweet that all agreed on... it can all go south very quickly.
The US is now shying away as Trump seems to have lost the battle, as Iran is now controlling Hormuz.
In any negotiation, no one can get 100% bargain. Iran should hold a ceasefire with the US at least till direct talks with US officials (Fri or Sat)
 

I’m really hoping Iran is coming up with a very strong earth shattering strategy when this “ceasefire” unravels very quickly because honestly if trump is sticking to his same demands while Americans reload the Israelis its going to become very loud and nasty in Iran fir the cover of an Arab l”militaries”” led by trump and Bibi invasion of Iran I really hope Iran has a real plan and this is them buying time
 
Iran and the U.S. have different understandings of what was agreed

This is due to Iranian refusal to negotiate directly with the U.S. and Trump being a compulsive liar

In future, such statements must be documented and agreed in writing



Pakistanis role was not negotiate a perfect deal for Iran. It was to get parties around the table to iron out the differences. You can walk away on Saturday if the ceasefire is not perfect.
 
All Pakistan has tried to do is help Iran as a brotherly Muslim country. Its a shame that instead of directing your anger and venom at Israel WHO is bombing Lebanon, you are obsessed with Pakistan.
So I’m not trying to be that guy and nothing against Pakistan really nothing against it at all Pakistanis as a whole have sided with Iran but and perhaps Pakistan is working in good faith but I don’t trust the Saudis at all they may have pushed Pakistan to get Iran for a ceasefire so Arabs under trump and Israel could commence an invasion because Pakistan has been attempting to play the neutral party in this and they are using Pakistan for ulterior motives that’s actually plausible
 
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It should have included the end of hostilities against Lebanon, too. Though specifically, 10 points are not in the tweet.
 
Pakistanis role was not negotiate a perfect deal for Iran. It was to get parties around the table to iron out the differences. You can walk away on Saturday if the ceasefire is not perfect.
There is no such thing as "Perfect Deal" or any draft that can make everyone happy, every party has to make concessions and sacrifices, some do more and others do less. Its all about who is in the strong position, and now despite what we read on PDF from Pro Iranian sources about how good Iran is doing, or from Pro American sources on how Awesome Americans are winning, the reality is known to people on ground and those who are involved in negotiations, they understand the dire situation on ground on both sides hence messages are sent for initiating talks.
 
The lengths to which Israel has gone to destroy Iranian nuclear program. What is mind-boggling is how Iran has allowed the Israeli network to remain operational inside of Iran learning who the key people are, including doctoral candidates in their universities working on nuclear disciplines.

This is not an Israel problem. They are the enemy who will do what they can to destroy Iran's nuclear problem, what is unbelievable is the space that the Iranian government, military, security forces have allowed to the Israelis and their agents to gather intelligence which is now being used to destroy, murder Iranians perceived close to the nuclear program.


Before winding down the war, US and Israel are determined to wipe out Iran’s nuclear expertise​


Mostafa Salem, Tal Shalev, CNN
Tue, April 7, 2026 at 12:01 AM EDT


FILE - This satellite image provided by Vantor shows the Natanz nuclear complex in Iran on March 7, 2026, with no new damage seen at the facility or the tunnels. (Satellite image ©2026 Vantor via AP, file) - Vantor/AP

FILE - This satellite image provided by Vantor shows the Natanz nuclear complex in Iran on March 7, 2026, with no new damage seen at the facility or the tunnels. (Satellite image ©2026 Vantor via AP, file) - Vantor/AP
As rain poured on the northern provinces of Iran in late March, a somber crowd snaked through the mountain ranges of Asara carrying the coffin of Mohammad Reza Kia. The city of just a few thousand people was draped in banners now hailing the young nuclear scientist as a “martyr of the imposed war.”

Piecing together information on Kia and the circumstance of his obscure death is difficult, but two weeks ago his mother said in a short clip that he was killed in an attack.

Beyond a few research papers attributed to him and an inactive social media page bearing his name, the only information available is that he was a doctoral candidate in the Department of Nuclear Engineering at Amirkabir University of Technology from 2010 to 2017.



Kia’s killing, and those of countless Iranian scientists in all parts of the country, demonstrates the lengths to which Israel and the United States are willing to go to ensure that Tehran’s ability to weaponize its nuclear program is significantly curtailed after the war ends.

Last week, US President Donald Trump said the US was on track to achieve its objectives in the Iran war – including preventing Tehran from developing a nuclear weapon – and suggested the conflict could last two to three more weeks. But Iran still retains hundreds of kilograms of the core component needed to build a bomb, as well as decades of expertise. As the US and Israel look to wind down the war, they are determined to target that expertise in a bid to cripple the nuclear program.

Hit list​

Over the past decades, Iran built an extensive knowledge ecosystem around its nuclear program - university departments, specialized machinery, and a robust system that included domestic uranium mining, processing, enrichment using advanced centrifuges, and storage in stockpiles. Experts say that even if Iran’s program is peaceful, Tehran has the architecture to weaponize it should it choose to.

An Israeli security source said all of those are on its hit list.

A few days after Kia’s funeral, another strike hit a building 300 miles away, killing nine people - including Ali Fouladvand, a scientist in charge of research at a leading organization long accused by Western powers and Israel of serving as a front for acquiring the knowledge needed to weaponize Iran’s nuclear program.

The founder of the organization, known by its Persian acronym SPND, was Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, a leading nuclear scientist widely believed to have been assassinated by Israel six years ago. The organization’s current chairman, Jabal Amelian, was killed in the initial wave of Israeli-US strikes in late February, while other leading figures have been systematically targeted by Israel since last year.

“Every link in the nuclear production chain is a target – from the knowledge base to the production floor. The goal is to cut off all the roots,” an Israeli security source told CNN. “From the people working in laboratories to the factories that produce components for those labs.”

When the United States and Israel launched a war on Iran last month, the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and his top military and intelligence officials were killed in a targeted operation designed to eliminate the regime’s leading figures.



Israel appears to have taken the lead on assassinating even low-level figures linked to Iran’s nuclear program while systematically degrading the knowledge centers that could prove useful in the future.

Two Iranian women stand next to a banner featuring a portrait of Iranian nuclear scientist Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, who was killed in Israeli attacks. - Morteza Nikoubazl/NurPhoto/Getty Images

Two Iranian women stand next to a banner featuring a portrait of Iranian nuclear scientist Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, who was killed in Israeli attacks. - Morteza Nikoubazl/NurPhoto/Getty Images
Israel’s strategy expanded in June 2025. It killed the top figures in the Revolutionary Guards’ aerospace force – the commanders responsible for Iran’s missile capabilities, which could aid in developing a nuclear warhead – while also targeting more than a dozen of the country’s top nuclear professors and scholars, including Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, one of Iran’s most notable physicists.


“Israel is striking every stage of the production process – including iron and steel plants that are not directly part of the military industry but could eventually contribute to rebuilding the production process,” the source said.

It is also hitting specific departments at universities while also attempting to significantly degrade the complex supply chain needed to maintain Iran’s nuclear program.

“In terms of knowledge – scientists, libraries, archives, chemical labs, the people working in all these places - and also the ranks that could replace them” are all targets, the source told CNN.

Potential weaponization​

Even as Iran insisted that its nuclear program was entirely peaceful, Western nations have long suspected it of using front companies to circumvent international monitoring and develop dual-use technologies that could be rapidly repurposed to weaponize the program if the decision were made.

Nicole Grajewski, an assistant professor at the Center for International Studies at Sciences Po in Paris, noted that nuclear experts believe Iran had conducted diagnostic tests, nuclear effects modeling, and detonation simulations, all signs that Tehran was acquiring the knowledge needed to weaponize its program when desired.

US intelligence assessments have said there is no evidence Iran was trying to weaponize its nuclear program, but experts say Iran used its status as a nuclear threshold state – one that retains the ability to build a bomb – as a source of leverage in talks with the West.

This Jan. 15, 2011 file photo shows the heavy water nuclear facility near Arak, 150 miles (250 kilometers) southwest of the capital Tehran, Iran. - Hamid Foroutan/ISNA/AP

This Jan. 15, 2011 file photo shows the heavy water nuclear facility near Arak, 150 miles (250 kilometers) southwest of the capital Tehran, Iran. - Hamid Foroutan/ISNA/AP
Iranian officials at the heavily sanctioned SPND had built a network of subordinate organizations designed to develop expertise and acquire dual-usetechnologies that the United States says are intended to gather the knowledge needed for nuclear weaponization.

“Iran is the only country in the world without nuclear weapons that is producing uranium enriched to 60 percent and it continues to use front companies and procurement agents to obscure its efforts to acquire dual-use items from foreign suppliers,” US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement announcing the sanctioning of SPND last year.

A key component for a nuclear bomb​

After Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal struck by the Obama administration in 2015, Tehran began installing advanced centrifuges to accelerate its uranium enrichment. It succeeded in amassing a significant stockpile of highly enriched uranium – enough to build a nuclear weapon.

More than 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium had been stockpiled in Iran, raising serious concerns among international agencies, which questioned why the Islamic Republic would need such a large quantity if its nuclear program was truly peaceful. The level of enrichment needed for nuclear power is under 4%, but Iran began enriching uranium as much as 60% after Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal in 2018.

When Israel and the United States struck Iran’s heavily fortified nuclear facilities last year, the fate of the highly enriched uranium became increasingly unclear. The head of the United Nations nuclear watchdog, Rafael Grossi, told PBS in an interview published Friday that the material is believed to be in Isfahan and could possibly be moved.

“The nuclear sites that we obliterated… have been hit so hard that it would take months to get near the nuclear dust,” Trump said in an address last week. In a Reuters interview on April 1, he added that the enriched material is “so far underground, I don’t care about that.”

Before that comment, the Wall Street Journal cited US officials as saying Trump was weighing a military operation to extract the uranium, though no decision had been made.

ISFAHAN, IRAN -- JUNE 14, 2025: 08  Maxar satellite overview shows widespread damage to the Isfahan enrichment facility after reported airstrikes. Please use: Satellite image (c) 2025 Maxar Technologies. - Maxar/Getty Images

ISFAHAN, IRAN -- JUNE 14, 2025: 08 Maxar satellite overview shows widespread damage to the Isfahan enrichment facility after reported airstrikes. Please use: Satellite image (c) 2025 Maxar Technologies. - Maxar/Getty Images
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Iran has been intentionally vague regarding its access to the material, but it offered to dilute it during negotiations with the US before the war began in February.

“That was a big offer, a big concession in order to prove that Iran has never wanted nuclear weapons and would never want them,” Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi told CBS last month.

Despite Israel targeting key facilities to degrade Iran’s nuclear program, Grajewski said that Iran’s uranium stockpiles and years of accumulated technical knowledge would suffice to build a simplified, gun-type bomb should the country decide to shift its posture.

“Iran can still create a nuclear weapon, it’s just a matter of political will,” Grajewski said. “If the war stops, Iran could theoretically embark on a rapid effort for weaponization within one to two years.”

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My “anger” is at users here who are washing their hands of their own PM’s explicit comments. Everyone was quick to celebrate being the mediator then now want to take no responsibility for the problems. They want only recognition of the good.

If Pakistan is going to mediate, it must be done accurately. That is all. That’s not obsession, that’s logical. Making statements that weren’t true means that next time the enemy won’t take Pakistan’s role seriously.

This is why Oman wasn’t chosen this time to mediate because they went on American news channels in February and said a good deal is there and good progress is happening and in the next 48 hours 3000 bombs were dropped on Iran. That was the second time they claimed everything was going well before US attacked.

The point here is if Pakistan cannot get the two warring sides to even accept the basic terms of ceasefire then why are Iran and U.S. even using a mediator (wether Pakistan or anyone else)?

This whole thing looks like a way for Trump to exit the conflict and walk away while the Middle East continues to burn.

Your FM highlighted Pakistani PM tweet where it explicitly mentioned Lebanon. Its clear that it came from Iranian side and was agreed by ALL. Pakistani PM didn't put it on his own whims and wishes.

What you want Pakistan to do?
 
First of all, as a Muslim nation and as a mediator, Pakistan has made a significant contribution to this temporary ceasefire. As an ally of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan has chosen to rationally handle the dispute between the two countries instead of joining the battlefield. In this regard, Pakistan has done an excellent job.

Israel, as a bridgehead for the United States in the Middle East, will continue to sabotage any peace agreement in the Middle East, and in the next two weeks, he will try to persuade the United States to restart the war.

Iran's actions and retaliatory capabilities have exceeded everyone's expectations. It can be said that the future strategies of other countries in the world opposing U.S. hegemony can take Iran's case as a reference. At the same time, it also exposed the strength of the United States. A world power and a regional country are evenly matched. Although Iran suffered heavy losses, the United States did not achieve its expected goals.
 

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