Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Beijingwalker]

Can the US-Iran talks in Pakistan turn a fragile ceasefire into a lasting peace? | DW News​

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[MH.Yang]

So never ending attacks is the answer?
Not a game plan

Iran can allow free and safe passage through the strait during initial investment in pipelines, allowing pipeline projects to be scrapped due to lack of visible benefits. After the project is scrapped, Iran can close the strait again.

 

[r3alist]

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[Ali_Baba]

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The Straits of Hormuz is a kill box, if the ceasefire does break down then these ships will have to leave quickly or they will be sunk. Mines, would be quick replace to. When the Straits were closed, there were no mines in place. The deterrence is not the mines, it is the ability to target and sink ships.

We all saw how quick the USN moved out of the straits when this war originally started, so this movement of ships means little other than petty optics imho.

The USA may even be tempted to move its troop carriers of marines into the straits and onwards to either the UAE, or Bahrain but those troops won't make much of a difference to the actual end game anyway even if this war restarts.

 

[Flotilla]

So never ending attacks is the answer?
Not a game plan

I think you should ask someone´s else the same question...

...IMO you should be flag identified. @Persian Gulf

 

[tsunset]

India called Israel the fatherland, was complicit in torpedoeing unarmed warship and killing everyone on board, never condemned the US massacres, now they really thought they were a candidate for peace talks mediator

The only two real candidates since the start were Pakistan and Oman

 

[Ali_Baba]

Again all counties need to do is build pipelines around the Strait and that power dream goes out the window

There is alot more than just oil that leaves the region. Alot of processed chemicals, and other industries are based in the area. Also, as shown with Saudi, those pipelines can be easily disrupted, maybe more easily than ships.

Anyway, what this is missing is the elephant in room. The big elephant of solar power and renewable's. Expect the world to move x10 towards replacing oil ASAP and that will make all the effort that the USA has made in trying to conquer oil, a tad redundant anyway. Guess, who is the biggest provider of renewable green infrastructure and technology is ?????

Seems like some people seem to win, even if they don't do anything by letting others, make stupid mistakes.

 

[Ali_Baba]

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India has based its foreign policy on hatred, hate of the Muslims. That policy will only get you so far in the region that India lives in.

 

[Flotilla]

There is alot more than just oil that leaves the region. Alot of processed chemicals, and other industries are based in the area. Also, as shown with Saudi, those pipelines can be easily disrupted, maybe more easily than ships.

I agree. Ask Mexicans, when heavy acute crisis they even did holes to steal some oil or gasoline. You don´t need to be involved in a war to see how fragile it is a thousands of kilometers away pipelines.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

There is alot more than just oil that leaves the region. Alot of processed chemicals, and other industries are based in the area. Also, as shown with Saudi, those pipelines can be easily disrupted, maybe more easily than ships.

This about tolls not sabotage. Companies gravitate to solutions that save them money.

 

[Kyussis]

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Iran: “if it weren’t for Pakistan mediating we would have broken the ceasefire and expanded the war”

Turkey: “if it weren’t for Pakistan mediating we would have joined the war due to Israeli genocide in Lebanon”

Israel couldn't have done it without Azarbaijani oil coming from Turkey. Thank you Erdogan!

 

[Winthorpe]

The Straits of Hormuz is a kill box, if the ceasefire does break down then these ships will have to leave quickly or they will be sunk. Mines, would be quick replace to. When the Straits were closed, there were no mines in place. The deterrence is not the mines, it is the ability to target and sink ships.

The USA may even be tempted to move its troop carriers of marines into the straits and onwards to either the UAE, or Bahrain but those troops won't make much of a difference to the actual end game anyway.

Looks like this ceasefire was another ruse! Attacks coming probably

 

[Ali_Baba]

Looks like this ceasefire was another ruse! Attacks coming probably

Who knows, but still how materially significant is it ? Maybe I am underplaying it, I don't think so but love to hear others views on this.

 

[tsunset]

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Iran: “if it weren’t for Pakistan mediating we would have broken the ceasefire and expanded the war”

Turkey: “if it weren’t for Pakistan mediating we would have joined the war due to Israeli genocide in Lebanon”

We would have joined the Abraham Accords*

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

There is alot more than just oil that leaves the region. Alot of processed chemicals, and other industries are based in the area. Also, as shown with Saudi, those pipelines can be easily disrupted, maybe more easily than ships.

It will take 50 years to create alternative routes and pipelines to redirect 25% of hormuz traffic.