Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mangekyo said:
We were firing about 20 missiles a day if I’m not mistaken. Thats a low number, maybe we need this time to reorganize, dig out tunnel entrances etc?
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Excluding the first few days of war where we used large barrages of missiles, our firing rate was about 20-30 missiles per day throughout the conflict. If anything, it has slightly increased in the last 2 weeks.
@Persian Gulf or @Immortals can correct me if I'm wrong. They posted the daily graph of our missiles and drones fired during the war.

mangekyo said:
I think Only 4 ships or so carrying oil or gas has passed the straight since the ceasefire. You’re not going to fill up the world reserve with 4 ships.
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The Strait of Hormuz accounts for 20%-25% of the oil transit only. You don't need to pass through the Strait of Hormuz to fill up your reserves. There is another important limiting factor: the number of containers and tankers available. Their original 45-day ceasefire was enough for a new round of loading and unloading. The 2-week ceasefire limits that to a great extent fortunately but it's still a temporarily relief.
 
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ShapurII said:
Excluding the first few days of war where we used large barrages of missiles, our firing rate was about 20-30 missiles per day throughout the conflict. If anything, it has slightly increased in the last 2 weeks.
@Persian Gulf or @Immortals can correct me if I'm wrong. They posted the daily graph of our missiles and drones fired during the war.


The Strait of Hormuz accounts for 20%-25% of the oil transit only. You don't need to pass through the Strait of Hormuz to fill up your reserves. There is another important limiting factor: the number of containers and tankers available. Their original 45-day ceasefire was enough for a new round of loading and unloading. The 2-week ceasefire limits that to a great extent fortunately but it's still a temporarily relief.
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Tankers not passing the strait weren’t affected by the war. Trumps market manipulation was becoming ineffective. The only thing the ceasefire achieved for oil is lowering prices. Thats not going to do much in the long run once the war continues.

I’m not sure how important lower oil prices are to China now. We were letting ships carrying oil to them pass, and they were already getting heavily discounted oil from us and have huge oil reserves. Maybe our Chinese friends can help us better understand Chinas position?
 
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This Singaporean gentleman is correct overall, but he is forgetting two important facts.

A) The Strait of Hormuz is the only chokepoint for the oil exports of many Arab states in the Persian Gulf. His data on other straits are correct and valid, but they can be circumvented by not passing through them, while the Strait of Hormuz remains the only viable option for these Arab states.

B) Also, Iran has not ratified UNCLOS. As such, we are not obligated to honor it.
 
ShapurII said:
This Singaporean gentleman is correct overall, but he is forgetting two important facts.

A) The Strait of Hormuz is the only chokepoint for the oil exports of many Arab states in the Persian Gulf. His data on other straits are correct and valid, but they can be circumvented by not passing through them, while the Strait of Hormuz remains the only viable option for these Arab states.

B) Also, Iran has not ratified UNCLOS. As such, we are not obligated to honor it.
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mangekyo said:
Tankers not passing the strait weren’t affected by the war. Trumps market manipulation was becoming ineffective. The only thing the ceasefire achieved for oil is lowering prices. Thats not going to do much in the long run once the war continues.
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It is not about them, the tankers, getting affected by the war directly. It is about buying time before the energy shock becomes a reality.

It is about unloading and loading tankers and containers before shit hits the fan and oil prices force many countries in poorer nations and energy hungry countries to shut down their schools, factories, etc.

mangekyo said:
I’m not sure how important lower oil prices are to China now. We were letting ships carrying oil to them pass, and they were already getting heavily discounted oil from us and have huge oil reserves. Maybe our Chinese friends can help us better understand Chinas position?
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Iran provides less than 10% of China's oil demand. Higher oil prices do matter to them.
 
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Ibbi32 said:
@mangekyo calm down bro i understand your anger. The fact of the matter is Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are allies and be it for whatever reason the same paf that escorted the Iranian delegation from within iran and brought them to the same Pakistan that has diplomaticaly sided with iran and has graciously mediated and hosted them for these negotiations viewed it important in whatever manner that some commitments to saudi had to be maintained whose scope and details we simply dont know about. If your anger is directed at Pakistan or Pakistanis who made this decision and whose otherwise limited scale deployment to an allied country then please take it up with your representatives at the negotiating table who would have ample intelligence and were likely informed by Pakistan of this move and presumably approved and not only attended negotiations but have continuously reiterated the stance that Pakistan is a fellow brotherly country. In fact if you are so worked up about this defence pact i highly recommend you see the statements issued by your government just a few months back where they welcomed this defence pact as a step of muslim unity.
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I agree.
If the goal it is defending Saudí Arabia and not to encircle Irán, to me there is no problem.

The Iranian goal it is to take out americans of the whole region. While this is not possible (EAU and Kuwait) completely, this is deffinitively a step up to take out them.

Mangekyo, you're witnessing the demise of US hegemony. And that happened thanks exclusively to Irán. They have been wiped out. And I am pretty sure that having pakistanis at the other side of the Persian Gulf will help to enhance a good neighboring and friendly relations.

Emiratis should be afraid, not persians.
 
Persian Gulf said:
No deal. Neither party ready to back down from its demands (no enrichment vs control of Strait). War will resume at any moment, our diplomats must reach a safe place asap.

Every airfield within 100km of Esfahan must be closed. We must set up ambush points around the province. The U.S. will try again. And of course the same is true for southern Iranian provinces. I hope we moved some air defences there already.

We need a 50-100 missile wave against Israel on day 1, all against the same target, ideally Orot Rabin or central Tel Aviv.

We should also immediately deploy thousands of mines into the Strait.
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Iran sustained 25-30 missiles pee day consistently for last few weeks

I think they could get that up to 50 per day

Keep Hormuz closed

And rain down shaheed 136 on GCC

I think Iran has 7 days
 
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