Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SecularNationalist]

No need to blame anyone. The divide was too large to bridge. There is simply no solution.

No the divide was because on the orders of isreal US adopted a maximalist position.

 

[ShapurII]

It is my observation that you are merely seeking to validate your own existence. What joy, pray, could the disparagement of Pakistan possibly bring you?

Your problem is that you are so obsessed with your own country that you think just because I disagree with an immature early ceasefire, it must have something to do with Pakistan! That's ridiculous.

 

[SecularNationalist]

A bit surprising that netanyahu, katz and ben gvir all attacking erdogan directly on twitter

A mad dog bites everyone.

 

[Immortals]

Will Israel bomb the Iran/Türkiye pipeline in Iran ? I can see that happening now under the pretext of starving the world and Iran of the benefits of Iranian oil.

It’s possible, but would strain relations with Turkey.

My point being that during COVID + Maximum pressure campaign of Trump 1st term Iranian oil exports fell to less than 350,000 barrels a day! So iran can go a few months without exporting 2MBPD, where as can the global economy go a few months without the Strait of Hormuz open?

I think you know the answer to that my friend.

 

[SecularNationalist]

US Navy to start 'blockading any and all ships' trying to enter or leave Strait of Hormuz, says Trump

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US President Donald Trump says that the US is going to start "BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz".

In a lengthy new post on Truth Social, he says that "the meeting went well, most points were agreed to, but the only point that really mattered, NUCLEAR, was not".

He says that "at some point" an agreement on free passage will be reached, but "Iran has not allowed that to happen by merely saying, 'There may be a mine out there somewhere,' that nobody knows about but them."

In the same post Trump also says that he's "instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran", and that the US Navy is going to start " destroying the mines the Iranians laid in the Straits".

"No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas," he says, adding "any Iranian who fires at us, or at peaceful vessels, will be BLOWN TO HELL!"

"The Blockade will begin shortly," he says.

Trump says US to 'blockade' Strait of Hormuz after talks failed over Iran's nuclear ambitions

Washington says it "will not impede" vessels in the Strait of Hormuz travelling to and from ports of other countries.

www.bbc.com

Well that's means now US is directly messing up with china. By not allowing Chinese oil ships to pass through strait of Hormuz.That can make china to now interfere militarily.

 

[Immortals]

Didn’t this reformist traitor publish an Op-Ed 2 weeks ago in FP saying Iran shouldn’t over play its hand and should negotiate. Now that negotiations failed and Vance had no intention of seriously negotiating, look what has happened. Classic flip flopper. Zero credibility. Always wants to make himself seems smart and right.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Oh lookie - Netanyahu's trial has been postponed - again ..

 

[Toxic]

Is this true? Should have sent a few Phantoms and a Tomcat too shame.

 

[Sam6536]

Well that's means now US is directly messing up with china. By not allowing Chinese oil ships to pass through strait of Hormuz.That can make china to now interfere militarily.

The blockade will hurt everyone equally. We are looking at a global recession at worst.

It will benefit Russia to an extent though. .

 

[Ibbi32]

What if they stay in the Indian Ocean out of our firing range?
They will have 4 CSGs in the area soon:
USS Lincoln, USS Gerald Ford, USS Bush, USS Boxer.

uss ford is is likely only staying in the area until relieved by bush and boxer isnt a carrier but an LHD\LHA like uss tripoli which is also in the area, they have much more limited aviation facilities but are primary amphibious assault ships

 

[Meengla]

I think the issue is interceptors
they need months/years Iran needs days/weeks
small pause benefits Iran more

Thank God for someone brought this up!
As I said before, Iran didn't agree to the initially proposed 6 weeks ceasefire but agreed to the 2 weeks ceasefire because that was more suitable to Iran! Netanyahu was bitterly opposed to the 2 weeks ceasefire because he knew what that meant.

 

[Himalayan]

Your problem is that you are so obsessed with your own country that you think just because I disagree with an immature early ceasefire, it must have something to do with Pakistan! That's ridiculous.

Oh, how profound of you to lecture me on the difference between disagreement and sarcasm—truly, a distinction only a mind of your caliber could illuminate. But let me get this straight: you genuinely believe the collective wisdom of dozens of Iranian delegations (you know, the people actually in the war, my dear friend) is somehow inferior to your hot take on ceasefire maturity? That’s not just disagreement, sweetheart—that’s Olympic-level delusion. But please, do continue. The rest of us are just here for the comedy.

 

[ShapurII]

uss ford is is likely only staying in the area until relieved by bush and boxer isnt a carrier but an LHD\LHA like uss tripoli which is also in the area, they have much more limited aviation facilities but are primary amphibious assault ships

But they can stop shipments to and from Iran, can't they?

 

[Ibbi32]

Is this true? Should have sent a few Phantoms and a Tomcat too shame.

last time in june they sent 747s and 707s to karachi. i saw them myself. iran couldve sent more aircraft here, if not warplanes then airliners but they for whatever reason didnt and so more than 30 airliners have been destroyed in iran so far

 

[ShapurII]

Oh, how profound of you to lecture me on the difference between disagreement and sarcasm—truly, a distinction only a mind of your caliber could illuminate. But let me get this straight: you genuinely believe the collective wisdom of dozens of Iranian delegations (you know, the people actually in the war, my dear friend) is somehow inferior to your hot take on ceasefire maturity? That’s not just disagreement, sweetheart—that’s Olympic-level delusion. But please, do continue. The rest of us are just here for the comedy.

The collective wisdom of these f*ckers told them not to build nuclear weapons after 30 years, to sign the JCPOA in return for nothing but promises, and to get deceived by Witkoff twice in 9 months, both time ending in war.
So, yeah, there's a very high chance that my "hot take" on ceasefire maturity is superior to their "collective wisdom".