Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

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This should become a 'Classic' image!

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Flotilla]

Forget the Epstein Files theories which may or may not be valid about Trump's Israel love. Before the Epstein Files saga, Trump had plenty of times betrayed his extraordinary love for Israel even during the relatively peaceful time in the Middle East in his first term. He broke 5 decades old American policies to favor Israel in his first term.
I don't know the real reasons for his love for Israel but I think it is a combination of racism toward nonwhites, Israel Lobby, family Jewish relations, Evangelical Christians, and some kind of attachment to the Zionism itself.

Yeah. Maybe israelis are pouring money in Trump's companies. Anyway seems obvious that he has a pathological relation with Israel. And will grab US nation to a bloodshed.

 

[Abdul q]

Can you add drum rolls in these dramatic WW3 ‘s tweets….

 

[Immortals]

Good post.
Iran holds the same cards--perhaps even more now--that it did before the ceasefire was effected! Iranians seem too determined, too resilient, and too united to be deterred by economic pain but the larger world cannot. For the Iranian 'food security', Pakistan is allowing duty free shipment of the essentials via the land crossings into Iran. And I don't think those trucks would be bombed by anyone lest they bring Pakistan openly to the conflict. Pakistan is keeping a low profile in helping Iran.

It’s also important to keep a few dynamics in mind:

• Despite Erdogan’s rhetoric, Turkey supplies Israel with energy from Azerbaijan pipelines. Baku and Tel Aviv have warm relations to say the least.
• When Iranian oil exports fell below 350,000 during COVID oil prices were also below $30 a barrel! Today oil prices are over $100 paper contracts, while dated Brent crude is closer to $140.
• As you allude to there will be ways to sell oil in a desperate world. If ISIS could sell oil to the world during a time when oil was plentiful. Then Iran will be able to sell as well in a world that is increasingly desperate.
• For now, This seems to be a de facto non violent alternative to stop Iranian oil, without invading Kharg Island and suffering losses.

 

[Flotilla]

it is not a matter of completely stopping the flow but starving iran out and destroying its economy

Irán grew as one of the oldest nations because they're in the Middle of Silk way.
They have some of the best land conections of all Middle East. From Turkmenistán to Pakistán and Afghanistan. Even if that unbelivable naval blockade would work (It is impossible) Irán has very good conections vía road and even smuggling roads.

 

[Meengla]

Yeah. Maybe israelis are pouring money in Trump's companies. Anyway seems obvious that he has a pathological relation with Israel. And will grab US nation to a bloodshed.

Trump himself is very rich and so is his family. And the Israel Lobby gives money to both the Republicans and the Democrats. I put less weight in the money or the Epstein Files factors vs those other reasons for Trump's extraordinary love for Israel in my quoted post above.

 

[EugeneP]

Why is US hell bent on preventing Irani nukes though? Even N.korea has nukes. Its for deterrence not to blow up other countries.

Goal of regime is "Death to Israel/America". It has been stated clearly for decades. There is no other use.

 

[The SC]

URGENT AND EXTREMELY IMPORTANT WAR UPDATE:

Trump just moments ago:So, here we are, the negotiations have gone well, and we've agreed on most points, but the one point that really mattered—the nuclear file—has not been agreed upon.

And immediately, the U.S. Navy, the best in the world, will begin an operation to enforce a blockade on all ships attempting to enter or exit the Strait of Hormuz. And at some stage, we'll reach a situation where everyone is allowed to enter and exit, but Iran hasn't allowed that, contenting itself with saying: "There might be a mine somewhere," which no one knows the truth of.

This is global blackmail, and world leaders, especially the United States of America, will never be blackmailed.

And I have also issued my instructions to our navy to search for and intercept any ship in international waters that has paid fees to Iran. Any ship that pays this "illegal blackmail" will have no safe passage in the seas. And we will also begin destroying the mines that Iran has planted in the strait.

Any Iranian who fires on us or on peaceful ships will be completely destroyed!

Iran knows, more than anyone, how to end this situation that has already destroyed their country. Their navy is finished, their air force is no longer there, their anti-aircraft planes and radars are useless, Khomeini, and most of their "leaders," are dead, and all of that because of their nuclear ambitions.

The blockade will begin soon, and other countries will participate in this blockade. And Iran will not be allowed to profit from this illegal blackmail operation. They want the money, and more importantly, they want the nuclear weapon.

In addition, and at the appropriate time, we are in "full readiness," and our military forces will finish off what remains of Iran.

President Donald J. Trump

@alrougui

 

[Meengla]

• As you allude to there will be ways to sell oil in a desperate world. If ISIS could sell oil to the world during a time when oil was plentiful. Then Iran will be able to sell as well in a world that is increasingly desperate.
• For now, This seems to be a de facto non violent alternative to stop Iranian oil, without invading Kharg Island and suffering losses.

One really can't compare a tiny non state entity like ISIS with the needs of a giant nation of 90 millions but I get your drift: Iran will figure out ways to use its oil wealth.
As for the kinetic actions on Iran, I don't see anything short of the bombings like on Japan or Germany in 1944/45 that would possibly make Iran to 'capitulate'.

 

[Flotilla]

Maybe I am too optimistic but seems that this war is developing a worldwide sense of admiration and brotherhood towards Iranian people and culture, specially the eastern shore of Persian Gulf and beyond (Lebanon, Turkey and Irak) even Syria new Régime is reluctant to support israelis and US.

 

[Eşbah]

Will Israel bomb the Iran/Türkiye pipeline in Iran ? I can see that happening now under the pretext of starving the world and Iran of the benefits of Iranian oil.

The majority of Iranian oil is expected to flow into Turkey via the current Iraqi-Turkish pipeline system. Oil smuggling is a highly profitable business and relatively straightforward to execute, especially with state support.

To put it differently: Iranian oil will be 'rebranded' as Iraqi and transported through Turkey, while Iran will 'unexpectedly' grant 'permission' to Iraq to utilize the SoH for oil trading.

Pakistan is an important route for the smuggling of Iranian oil, too.

In other words: the Iranians will survive.

 

[Flotilla]

Goal of regime is "Death to Israel/America". It has been stated clearly for decades. There is no other use.

And the we're right.
Israel It is a cáncer and US is funding that cáncer.
US kills more people than tobacco.
Death to América!!!!

 

[ShapurII]

• As you allude to there will be ways to sell oil in a desperate world. If ISIS could sell oil to the world during a time when oil was plentiful. Then Iran will be able to sell as well in a world that is increasingly desperate.

ISIS sold fewer than 50K barrels per day and it sold it at a discounted price to keep their war machine alive. Also, the ISIS did not run a country of 93 million people and its main weapon of choice in its wars wasn't medium-range ballistic missiles.

I agree with the rest of your points though.

 

[ShapurII]

Goal of regime is "Death to Israel/America". It has been stated clearly for decades. There is no other use.

Last time you brought this up, you were given an answer that you didn't know what to say after that.