Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Optical216]

Giving the US a share in the Strait of Hormuz is not a bad idea actually. It cements our status as the police of the strait. Legally speaking, Iran does not own the Strait of Hormuz. So, we are still gaining something valuable here.

I think a 3-year halt on uranium enrichment is not bad either, if they accept it. We certainly need time to rebuild our nuclear infrastructure. Maybe not 3 years, but definitely more than a year. As long as it involves only nuclear enrichment and not other nuclear activities, it's not bad for Iran in the long run.

The issue of Iran's HEU stockpile boils down to Iran's true intentions. If we are trying to build the bomb (the intelligent choice), we should do something about it fast. We should enrich it further in any way possible.

If we do not intend to build the bomb (super stupid, in my opinion), we can put it under IAEA supervision inside Iran and even allow a small number of Americans to supervise it. Trump can pitch this as a win for the US.

i knew that mf trump was a leech i called it that he liked the idea of a toll fee and wanted it all for himself

 

[lightning f57]

Did China try to break the U.S. naval blockades on Venezuela or Cuba for you to raise such a scenario?

In any case, I guess we’ll find out:

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Trumpy further moronic move.

So make the economic situation worse is trumpy move.

Hel soon have his Asian and European allies pressuring him to stop.

 

[Lulldapull]

It is about time for Pakistan to anounce haste start of construction for oil and gas pipeline from Iran to Gwadar.

We already got a border! Wes safe……just playing around

 

[hasn2009]

I am pretty sure Iran felt a HUGE difference to have a strong Airforce when we (PAF) carried their Iranian delegations (huge 80+ members) from there to Islamabad safety and then bring back to their home safety.

PROTECTION SHIELD

Wo Iranian he kia Jo Airforce or atom bomb ki ehmeyat Samaj jay.

Do you guys really think we will have any airfoce left after a 6 weeks of full on conflict with US and Israel? So, we will fight with our F16s against the same country who built those F16s almost 50 years ago?

If you ask me, Iran fared better than Pakistan in this scenario, they kept launching missiles/drones even after 6 weeks of such heavy bombardment by US/Israel.
And in Pakistan's case, we don't have such high number of drones/missiles and neither the dozens of underground missiles cities like Iran, we would pretty much surrender within a couple of week if US ever attacks us like it did Iran.

And in Pakistan's case the situation will probably not reach at this point of kinetic conflict, US can just stop IMF and other loans etc and Pakistan will be on its knees before you know, as oppose to Iran surviving 47 years of crippling sanctions.

 

[brazensword]

honestly Chinese can send some serious firepower to the region

a Surface Action Group (SAG) made of 4 x Type 055 + 1 x SSN would be start

Chinese do not have power projection capabilities.

 

[hussain0216]

Chutia will hurt his own economy by doing so.

He must have barely passed his high school maths and economics after failing at least 10 times.

China realised during the Tariffs fiasco how much power it had

 

[KingQamaR]

Naval blockades are an act of war, that's just for general knowledge. War is already imposed on Iran. But I fail to see what blocking the SoH achieves? It contradicts the purpose of opening the SoH. $h!t is about to hit the fan, and the neighbourhood would likely learn what it tastes like. Those who were wishing for the Islamabad Talks to fail might start wishing they hadn't.

The US tactic of blockading Hormuz strait is force China pressures ally Iranian government to open up the straits and allow oil to flow. China depends heavily on oil imports it gets from Iran Hormuz straits.

 

[Shags101]

That guy posts non stop propaganda in this thread. Please report him as I have.

@Musings this mod is out of control posting garbage content

Yes all of a sudden started popping up I don’t disagree and this person has been very quiet as of late I guess we are upset over “Arab kings” being humiliated seriously why these guys get offended with these Bibi puppets

 

[Lulldapull]

Chutia will hurt his own economy by doing so.

He must have barely passed his high school maths and economics after failing at least 10 times.

It’s like an insolent 10 year old who says……..why in da hell he blockin it…….now I wanna block it too!



The US defeat is just monumental

Who is he goin block? Chinese oil or Japanese oil or SK oil?

Are they going to block Chinese and Indian ships now :-D. That is a worrisome thought.

it ain’t worrisome at all cuz the US is just powerless to do anything

 

[lightning f57]

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Please trumpy put 50% tarrif on Chinese goods, im sure China is aching to block all rare earth's and wack US farmers

Trumpy is the one with only 1 card, negotiate amicably or get further humiliated.

 

[IceCold]

was just watching on Aljazeera recording of Iranian delegation leaving Pakistan. Pakistan's leaders including the FM make it so obvious with the hugs and greetings whose side they on. I would have thought publically they would be more reserved but not at all lol

It's more to do with customs and traditions. I mean, you don't necessarily push yourself towards hugging the Americans unless you are Modi. On the other hand, when Arabs or Iranians meet, they, of course, have a different way of welcoming. Jared Kushner tried to do something similar with SS, which wasn't well received either.

 

[Ibbi32]

I'm sorry, I have seen many Pakistanis proudly acting like "See, you Iranians can't protect your self and your airspace, but we Pakistanis can"

So my question: what are you actually proud about? As far as I know, Pakistanis use Chinese Fighter jets. Under the Shah Iran also had a very strong airforce....provided by the Americans.

Where is the pride in a purchased airforce?

What does this even mean? Pakistan buys American and Chinese aircraft because of historical millitary relations and need. We even build our own jf-17s that we developed jointly because of close relationships with china that alleviated some of the financial and technological burden. More important than being proud of our aircraft we are proud of our brave armed forces that have fought and won against technologicaly and numerically superior enemy.

 

[Kyussis]

I am pretty sure Iran felt a HUGE difference to have a strong Airforce when we (PAF) carried their Iranian delegations (huge 80+ members) from there to Islamabad safety and then bring back to their home safety.

PROTECTION SHIELD

Put up the PAF against the IAF+USAF in a fight then we can talk!

 

[Lulldapull]

This is begging to Iran to give those assurances that they wont build nukes and US will agree to rest of Iran terms. They can use same format for as Obama deal and they are away. Trump is just concerned about optics and his ego and prepping an off ramp

Thats the jackpot right there.

I believe there is no other way out of this.

I share your opinion

 

[ResilientMind]

Many people do not understand that technologically matching the airforce of USA is impossible for Iran.

They can not manufacture even 4th gen warplanes from scratch, forget competing with 5th gen warplanes. Its USA's domain.

They did something strategically intelligent. They stopped playing a game they couldn't win and dominated a field they could. They went all-in on ballistic and cruise missile technology. Precise, fast, relatively cheap to produce at scale, and impossible to fully intercept.

Missiles don't need pilots. Missiles don't need runways. Missiles don't need an entire industrial base to keep flying.

It's asymmetric warfare done right. You don't fight your enemy's strength. You build a weapon that neutralizes it.

And people glorifying PAF should not forget that its NO MATCH for USAF and not likely to win against IAF for a simple reason that PAF has ZERO 5th gen warplanes while IAF has 70+.