Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hussain0216]

All it’s takes is one attack and Pakistans job is ruined

Iran has defeated Israel militarily

Pakistan needs to defeat Israel in diplomacy

Pakistans job is much harder than Israel

Because all is has to do is drop one bomb

Israel is a problem for everyone, it's a cancerous tumor

Israels power lies in U.S support, money, aid, diplomatic cover
For all the chaos in south Lebanon, the IDF is facing hell against a irregular militia in Hezbollah

The U.S is this trying to force the useless Lebanese government to force Hezbollah to disarm, and trying to find ways to weaken the movement and block it's weapons supply



This constant harassment of Israel and Jews will take its toll
The objective should be to never give the Jews peace anywhere and wear them down

 

[FHN]

It comes down to whether China is prepared to accept restrictions in its affairs with third countries because of restrictions imposed by the USA or not.

China is a fairly restrained great power, and it is precisely because The US and its allies have spotted this that they keep provoking China. I don’t think china is going to resolve the issue militarily far away from its shore. China can threaten the US with sending anti ship ballistic missiles to Iran if they decide to seize Chinese oil tankers. Let’s wait and see how things play out.

 

[hussain0216]

China is a fairly restrained great power, and it is precisely because The US and its allies have spotted this that they keep provoking China. I don’t think china is going to resolve the issue militarily far away from its shore. China can threaten the US with sending anti ship ballistic missiles to Iran if they decide to seize Chinese oil tankers. Let’s wait and see how things play out.

China doesn't need to do anything, when the U.S is self destructing at the hands of the Zionists

All China needs to do is ensure it's strong enough to keep Zionist and other western infections out


China is doing nothing and winning

 

[Ali_Baba]

China is a fairly restrained great power, and it is precisely because The US and its allies have spotted this that they keep provoking China. I don’t think china is going to resolve the issue militarily far away from its shore. China can threaten the US with sending anti ship ballistic missiles to Iran if they decide to seize Chinese oil tankers. Let’s wait and see how things play out.

I am not sure you can call China a "great power". The term great power comes from military power and being able to use it to extert changes to your will.

China is an up and coming economic power, but that does not translate into the overall great power label.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Usa will somehow turn the world against China or blackmail them in to it, at the moment Usa led world order is Usa South America, Canada EU Nato GCC Quad, India, Israel, these are the most powerful nations in the world. Usa is also making sure South America is rid of anti Usa forces, same with the middleeast. Militarily they cannot fight China but they control the world so can choke China economy, impose trade sanctions, at the moment it will be difficult but they can in the future once the Usa led order moves away from middleeast/South America in to Asia.

China is meanwhile quietly building itself for the 21st century, enough development/progress/military to keep China safe throughout the 21st century but that is not enough, the war is coming to China. China must build strategic military economy trade relations with others and counter the western led order or face the consequences. But the big issue is most powerful nations in the world are with the Usa. I always thought Russia and China will make Iran the redline and make sure west does not cross over, Iran is also part of SCO.

But thanks to Trump, he has turned to the world against USA instead of China.

China should always focus to develop the prosperity with the global south.

 

[FHN]

China doesn't need to do anything, when the U.S is self destructing at the hands of the Zionists

All China needs to do is ensure it's strong enough to keep Zionist and other western infections out


China is doing nothing and winning

This blockade is gonna impact Chinese economy and the world. Do nothing and win is a good strategy if you are not affected by the current conflict. China is working very hard to achieve energy independence & security but it’s still many years away.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Usa will somehow turn the world against China or blackmail them in to it, at the moment Usa led world order is Usa South America, Canada EU Nato GCC Quad, India, Israel, these are the most powerful nations in the world. Usa is also making sure South America is rid of anti Usa forces, same with the middleeast. Militarily they cannot fight China but they control the world so can choke China economy, impose trade sanctions, at the moment it will be difficult but they can in the future once the Usa led order moves away from middleeast/South America in to Asia.

China is meanwhile quietly building itself for the 21st century, enough development/progress/military to keep China safe throughout the 21st century but that is not enough, the war is coming to China. China must build strategic military economy trade relations with others and counter the western led order or face the consequences. But the big issue is most powerful nations in the world are with the Usa. I always thought Russia and China will make Iran the redline and make sure west does not cross over, Iran is also part of SCO.

The idea that the United States can “turn the world against China” or “blackmail” every major power into a unified anti‑China bloc oversimplifies how the international system actually works. The world is not a single chessboard controlled by one player, and even U.S. partners have their own interests, limits, and red lines.
I suggested you look deep into economics & geopolitics because most of the stuff you said doesn’t make any sense especially about “choke China economy”.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

I am not sure you can call China a "great power". The term great power comes from military power and being able to use it to extert changes to your will.

China is an up and coming economic power, but that does not translate into the overall great power label.

Not every battle is won by weapons. The real contest of the 21st century is economic architecture.

China does not need military confrontation to reshape the global system. What matters is:

• Trade routes
• Currency systems
• Energy corridors
• Financial institutions
• Supply chain dominance


If BRICS and SCO countries expand local‑currency trade or develop an alternative settlement system, it would reduce global dependence on the U.S. dollar. Many analysts argue that such a shift would weaken U.S. financial leverage, not through conflict, but through structural economic evolution.

This is a strategic competition, not a battlefield.

 

[FHN]

I am not sure you can call China a "great power". The term great power comes from military power and being able to use it to extert changes to your will.

China is an up and coming economic power, but that does not translate into the overall great power label.

I do agree with you, "What's good with all the shiny toys if you are not willing to use them". At the current moment, I don’t think china is ready to challenge the US militarily but it does have a powerful industrial complex to sustain a long attritional warfare. Type 004 nuclear carrier is still under construction, china semiconductor industry is at least a few years away from becoming self sufficient. China would become more dependent on Russia for energy resources in the coming years.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Not every battle is won by weapons. The real contest of the 21st century is economic architecture.

The USA beat China's economic architecture with Venezuela with its military great power.

 

[Flotilla]

I do agree with you, "What's good with all the shiny toys if you are not willing to use them". At the current moment, I don’t think china is ready to challenge the US militarily but it does have a powerful industrial complex to sustain a long attritional warfare. Type 004 nuclear carrier is still under construction, china semiconductor industry is at least a few years away from becoming self sufficient.

IMO China won't do It. China ancient political tradition of Middle Empire has been based on soft power, diplomacy and commerce.
Starting to use PLA military power as an asset would eventually put China in a similar connundrum than US.

But hey, Persian Gulf will kill us if we continue talking about China.

Just send iranians some J16. Those are much better than anything else in western 4.5 aircrafts. I know that this will never happen, but if TACO can say nonsense I can also

 

[hussain0216]

This blockade is gonna impact Chinese economy and the world. Do nothing and win is a good strategy if you are not affected by the current conflict. China is working very hard to achieve energy independence & security but it’s still many years away.

And I totally agree, however as much as everyone would like for China to jump in and teach the U.S a lesson, in reality much of Chinese aims are achieved by letting the U.S look like warmongering buffoons and harm the world through it's actions

However at some point China will need to step up or be seen as weak and irrelevant simply through inaction

 

[ety]

I do agree with you, "What's good with all the shiny toys if you are not willing to use them". At the current moment, I don’t think china is ready to challenge the US militarily but it does have a powerful industrial complex to sustain a long attritional warfare. Type 004 nuclear carrier is still under construction, china semiconductor industry is at least a few years away from becoming self sufficient.

China had enough of the numerous bloodiest wars and bloodsheds in the past two centuries, both with foreign powers and civil wars. Hundreds of millions of Chinese lives had perished in those wars. Even after the establishment of PRC in 1949, China still engaged in quite a few bloody wars until 1979 reform began. it's only been 40 years that china is at peace, EU has at least 80 years of peace since WW II, let's take a break and let china develop and not get itself into unnecessary wars that don't threaten China. Lethal weapons developed are for defense just in case.

 

[FHN]

IMO China won't do It. China ancient political tradition of Middle Empire has been based on soft power, diplomacy and commerce.
Starting to use PLA military power as an asset would eventually put China in a similar connundrum than US.

But hey, Persian Gulf will kill us if we continue talking about China.

Just send iranians some J16. Those are much better than anything else in western 4.5 aircrafts. I know that this will never happen, but if TACO can say nonsense I can also

I wish but it’s not going to happen unfortunately. China is the functional opposite of trump. He’s a gambler while China plays the long game to develop high tech sector and achieve geopolitical influence.

 

[Flotilla]

It is strange that the US has imposed a total naval blockade on Iran during a ceasefire and IRI has not responded at all, preferring to continue negotiations and pretend the blockade does not exist.

But it does. And Israel has not accepted a ceasefire in Lebanon (though it has stopped bombing Beirut).

When the first reports of negotiations came out, Iranian officials denied it strongly. But now we see that Trump was telling the truth, and our Iranian officials were openly lying to us, and many messages were being exchanged with the enemy through intermediaries behind the scenes.

Good, but 6 ships related to Islamic Republic has sailed between both blockades, that shows that is not a total blockade, and moreover, some kind of price has been given to Islamic Republic.