Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[925boy]

You want to make a bet ?

Yes sir, for sure.

 

[lightning f57]

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The strait of Iran, looks like trumpy bent the knee

 

[mythbuster]

Yes sir, for sure.

Give me the odds and amount of bet that you want to make.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[lightning f57]

Anyone have the full reuters article. I know reuters lately been making lots of exuberant articles on Pak selling fighter jets now this deployment of fighters, we may not know the exact truth but makes fun reading for people like me.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Does anyone know which kind of agreement could be achieved?.

I understand that right now it is goes into effect a Ceasefire but US and Irán seems to be pursuing a Peace agreement.

Anyway with such bastards at the other side of the table you need more warrants, so I think at least a Treaty of Peace with US and approved by US Congress will be required. Something that not any US President can break easily.

I know it is wildly unrealistic, but there are not other way to protect from a further aggression.

First an interim framework agreement is likely.

A full deal seems impossible unless Trump drops some of his demands. He is deeply wedded to the idea of zero enrichment, due to Israeli influence. That won’t work.

 

[lightning f57]

What it does tell me, with the combo or J10/Jf17 blk3 with Erieye among the midst, Pakistan doesnt give a sh|t about F35s threat.

Bro that PL15 200km+ dundah does make a foe think twice.

 

[SaadH]

Yeah, but people have only 2 choices.
Though I've not seen any presidential like Hillary Clinton, always venom dripping from her tongue whenever she talks of middle east and muslims.

Actually there's also a third and better choice of not voting.

 

[Blain2]

Anyone have the full reuters article. I know reuters lately been making lots of exuberant articles on Pak selling fighter jets now this deployment of fighters, we may not know the exact truth but makes fun reading for people like me.

Pakistan escorted Iranian negotiators home from peace talks amid concerns of Israeli attack, sources say

Sources say Pakistan deployed some two dozen jets in the escort, as well as the force’s Airborne Warning and Control System for aerial surveillance.

www.dawn.com

Pakistan escorted Iranian negotiators home from peace talks amid concerns of Israeli attack, sources say​

Reuters Published April 17, 2026 Updated about 6 hours ago

The air force escorted Iranian negotiators home from inconclusive peace talks with the United States last weekend, launching a major operation after the Iranians said Israel might seek to kill them, three sources told Reuters.

Pakistan deployed some two dozen jets in the escort, as well as the force’s Airborne Warning and Control System for aerial surveillance to ensure the safety of the delegation back from Islamabad, said two Pakistani sources with knowledge of the operation.

One said similar security protection would be provided for subsequent talks if the Iranians ask for it, “otherwise Pakistani aircraft would receive them in Pakistan airspace”.

A third source involved in the talks said measures were already in the works ahead of an expected further round of talks as soon as this weekend.
A regional diplomat briefed by Tehran, however, said Pakistan insisted on the escort after Iranian delegates raised the “hypothetical” possibility of a threat.

The discussions with the Iranian delegation about a potential threat while travelling and the presence of a Pakistani air escort into Iran have not previously been reported.

The Israeli prime minister’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Iran’s permanent mission in Geneva did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Pakistan’s air force and military did not respond to questions about the operation. The US embassy in Islamabad did not respond to a request for comment.

“When the talks failed, the Iranians were wary that things had not gone right. It was their suspicion that they might be targeted,” one security source said.

“This was a massive operational mission if you look at it from a pilot’s point of view. You are taking responsibility for a delegation that is coming for talks, you are giving them air cover, you have potent fighters that counter any threat,” he said.

The source involved in the talks, the highest-level engagement between the two countries since 1979, confirmed the air escort but did not provide details about the operation.

“We dropped them all the way to Tehran. Their security was our responsibility even beyond their time here,” the source said.

Sunday’s mission to Iran included Chinese-made J-10 aircraft, the top jet in the air force fleet, one official said.

The Iranian delegation, led by Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and Parliament Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf, a former military officer and certified pilot, requested the security escort, which goes well beyond normal protocol, the two security sources said.

The regional diplomat said the Iranians did not make a formal request but also did not “rule out the possibility that Israel could even strike the aircraft”, prompting Pakistan to insist on providing a security escort.

The delegation did not land in Tehran, the diplomat said, declining to say where they were dropped off.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said last month, “I wouldn’t issue life insurance policies on any of the leaders of the terrorist organisation,” referring to Iran.

“I don’t intend to provide an exact report here about what we are planning or what we are going to do.”

Since the war began, Israel has assassinated Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, national security chief Ali Larijani, commander of paramilitary force Basij Gholamreza Soleimani, Intelligence Minister Esmail Khatib and other top military commanders.

Shortly before agreeing to a ceasefire last week, US President Donald Trump posted on social media: “A whole civilisation will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will.”

Hours after the Iranians and the US delegation, led by Vice President JD Vance, left Pakistan empty-handed, sources told Reuters that dialogue was still alive.

Trump said on Thursday that the war “should be ending pretty soon” and that talks could take place in Islamabad this weekend.

 

[Meengla]

Does anyone know which kind of agreement could be achieved?.
I understand that right now it is goes into effect a Ceasefire but US and Irán seems to be pursuing a Peace agreement.

The ambitious plan is to make a comprehensive agreement and that's why the Iranian delegation took 25 specialists including many PhDs to Islamabad in the recent Islamabad Talks. Not only the US sanctions will need removal, which would require the American Congressional vote but also some UNSC sanctions. But the interim agreement could make some easy to give concessions for up to 60 days to finalize the comprehensive agreement.

Right. From coming Monday through Thursday. Islamabad has unprecedented security due to possibly President Trump himself going there. But there is a hitch: Trump would like to be in the limelight with the Iranian President which the latter may not like. Note Iranians didn't allow joint photos in the recent Islamabad Talks--faces were blurred in the shared photos.

First an interim framework agreement is likely.
A full deal seems impossible unless Trump drops some of his demands. He is deeply wedded to the idea of zero enrichment, due to Israeli influence. That won’t work.

I think there is discussion about 5 years of the Iranian demand vs 20 years of the American demand but even there a possible 12 years compromise and also the language to say Iran has the 'right' to enrich but won't enrich.

 

[Immortals]

At this point both sides are just saying whatever they want and the truth is somewhere in the middle

 

[Immortals]

Note Iranians didn't allow joint photos in the recent Islamabad Talks--faces were blurred in the shared photos.

Were their shared photos released? I never saw any. Can you post them?

Also I’m not sure Iran would send Pezeskhian to meet Trump even tho he is the President he is the weakest President Iran has had in decades. Also it seems Trump likes Qalibaf and might want to meet him instead.

But to your point, I don’t know if the optics of this will work for the Iranian side.

 

[Meengla]

Were their shared photos released? I never saw any. Can you post them?

Also I’m not sure Iran would send Pezeskhian to meet Trump even tho he is the President he is the weakest President Iran has had in decades. Also it seems Trump likes Qalibaf and might want to meet him instead.
But to your point, I don’t know if the optics of this will work for the Iranian side.

I saw at least one pic where the delegates from both sides are sitting opposite each other with all the faces blurred except one or two faces which I think was some Pakistani. I will see if I can dig that up.
For "President" Trump, he would like the "President" of Iran. Trump wants to milk it but of course embarrassing for the Iranians to be see with that warmonger.

 

[KAL-EL]

At this point both sides are just saying whatever they want and the truth is somewhere in the middle

This ^ completely

 

[dbc]

I will say I believe there is an operational strain with this war. I heard a couple of reports about it, but I don't believe it's like that. Maybe selected products are not available in the PX for you to buy. I do believe they might have run out of fresh fruit in the commissary, but they don't slack off on meals.

A couple of photos won't show anything, even if those are real photos coming from inside an aircraft carrier; they run D-FAT like an all-you-can-eat buffet, so they may just take that little amount of food? We don't know. But since they aren't actually in deep combat and they were allowed entry to most of the ports in Centcom AOR, I don't see how they run out of food.

resupply missions at sea was on hold.