Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Trump backed down

but maintains his blockade

this status quo is not ideal for either side, but it seems the US found its answer to Iran closing the Strait

Classic Gambler!

He folded instead of showing the losing hand. Which means status quo for now... He knows he lost so he wants his audience to process it the way he wants...
The problem is, holding itself will become untenable... so he'd want to extract a price by going full pirates of Caribbean. In the end fold again with a pie in the face.

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Sink China ship or hendu ship?

Which one?

Bomb the terminal where ship is heading. .
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Talk when you have might/strength. The best iran could do is bomb oil fields in gulf and israel . Thats all !!
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After that there would be massacre in iran .
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Its better to negotiate and recover your strength and stocks to fight another day .

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Military infrastructure has collapsed?

You must be hallucinating. Last I remembered, they were still firing missiles at Israel even when the ceasefire was nearing

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From where?
Tunnels which will last till the stock available .
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Where would they produce more missiles? From where they get the raw material , steel , electronics etc?
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if China stops the supply do they have any military infrastructure left to support them in such war?
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Any major base which didn't gt hit?
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They have to park their commercial planes in other country .
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Bravery without a brain is fatal .

 

[Homajon]

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A ground war in Iran will look like this.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

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A ground war in Iran will look like this.

I have a different opinion. The ground war over Iran will be different due to different circumstances.

Here are major differences:
- Russia do not have air dominance over Ukraine as US can achieve before ground war.
- Ukraine / Russia also have serious advantage of a woodland terrain unlike Iran. So their drone operators can hide at millions of places in thick forests as both frontlines keep trying to forward.

The drones shown in this video are being controlled from frontlines. These cannot be controlled from longer ranges as they have very small endurance / range. In other words, both frontlines are facing each other with a narrow distance between them.

On other hand, US Army do not advance until their airforce has bombed every piece of barracks, equipment in their way. We have witnessed during fighter jet pilots rescue missions helicopters and tanker aircraft flying over Iran searching for their pilot. They definitely would have strike aircraft covering them at higher altitude to hit anything that tries to hit at those assets. US air power will remove adversery frontline commands before their own army advances. So not much chances of close quarter / quadcopter drone engagements.

However, Iran will definitely have its own way of striking US army positions with longer range munitions and drones. We are talking about striking from 100s of kilometers stand off ranges. US army will face lot of death toll. But war will be different from Russia/Ukraine.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Dominant nations typically avoid direct conflict unless compelled by necessity, instead relying on smaller states and non-state actors. For instance, Pakistan has engaged in such actions in Afghanistan and Kashmir; therefore, it is disingenuous to suggest that Iran should not have taken similar measures. The United States has carried out similar activities.

Exactly!

That was my point already. If Pakistan used a group in Afghanistan or Kashmir as a proxy then the purpose is already served (To keep war outside your border, attacking enemy while using other people as cannon fodders). We will not expect anything more from that group. For years, Hezbullah has kept israel busy and fought against it. For years Houthis have fought against KSA/uae. That was primary purpose of Iran to keep an indirect war against its enemies. They have done already enough for their funders. Even in this war not of their own they jumped but still some Iranians call them "useless" and disrespect them. No matter how much you fund a group, you can never own their lives and their children's lives that you expect them to die for you.

and yes states do such actions because every country looks for their own self interests at costs of others.

 

[Hayabusa]

From where?
Tunnels which will last till the stock available .

Israel was struggling to eliminate Hamas from Gaza, even when they were hiding in tunnels. Iran is 4516X bigger.

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Where would they produce more missiles? From where they get the raw material , steel , electronics etc?

You think planners don't think of all these including continuity of business during a war?

if China stops the supply do they have any military infrastructure left to support them in such war?
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Any major base which didn't gt hit?

Hypothetical. China hasn't stopped supplies.


Surprisingly major missile bases tunnels are being digged out signifying that it is operational.

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They have to park their commercial planes in other country .
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Bravery without a brain is fatal .

Yet they still have planes to escort ASIM Munir during his visit here. Brain fatal indeed.

Conclusion: Iran's military has been degraded. It has taken hits. But it is not down, and far from collapse.

 

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So finally they’re facing the same kind of pain iran felt for decades….

F the UAE... They are Zionist scum and have innocent Sudanese and Palestinian Gaza blood on their hands...

 

[Yasser76]

Spoofing here now?

 

[tsunset]

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[Ali_Baba]

Or we aim everything at ‘soft’ civilian areas in Tel Aviv and aim for ~5 such impacts per day within another month.

Aiming for civilian is militarily and strategically short sighted and I don't understand why Iran wastes missiles like that, when Israel has gone after Iran's "industrial heartlands" so heavily.

Iran needs to rethink its strategy, and impose a long lasting impact on the country on expensive things that hurt them long term.

Right now, Israel is not deterred because it does not care about civilian hits, and Iran has not been able to impose a significant cost on Israel.

 

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[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Israel was struggling to eliminate Hamas from Gaza, even when they were hiding in tunnels. Iran is 4516X bigger.


You think planners don't think of all these including continuity of business during a war?


Hypothetical. China hasn't stopped supplies.


Surprisingly major missile bases tunnels are being digged out signifying that it is operational.




Yet they still have planes to escort ASIM Munir during his visit here. Brain fatal indeed.

Conclusion: Iran's military has been degraded. It has taken hits. But it is not down, and far from collapse.

Do you want iran to turn into Gaza?
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are you telling me that they have steel mill , explosive manufacturing plant , rare earth materials , electronics manufacturing plants in the tunnels ? huh
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So they could provide Security to Asim Munir but cant defend iran or even tehran . we both knows that this was all for show . There is a reason why PAF deployed 20+ planes along with AWACs around iran.
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As i said before the best iran could do is bomb oil field in gulf and israel. Thats all .
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if the war intensify & civilian infrastructure start getting hit there would be a shortage of supplies , plus a famine in iran .
atleast do have some realistic approach this war will finish either with Deal or by the destruction of iran .

 

[Mujhe-Kyun-Tora]

Aiming for civilian is militarily and strategically short sighted and I don't understand why Iran wastes missiles like that, when Israel has gone after Iran's "industrial heartlands" so heavily.

Iran needs to rethink its strategy, and impose a long lasting impact on the country on expensive things that hurt them long term.

Right now, Israel is not deterred because it does not care about civilian hits, and Iran has not been able to impose a significant cost on Israel.

Exactly . No high profile target got eliminated by iran while israel kill almost all of iranian leadership .
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Bombing civilians wont enforce them to stop war .

 

[Hayabusa]

Do you want iran to turn into Gaza?
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Nobody claims that. My only problem is you claiming their military has collapsed. Do you think they can even remotely think of turning Iran into Gaza from just bombing?

are you telling me that they have steel mill , explosive manufacturing plant , rare earth materials , electronics manufacturing plants in the tunnels ? huh
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Nobody claims that. But do you really think they don't have options or backups? They have prepared this for decades, you don't think they won't plan how to acquire supplies?

So they could provide Security to Asim Munir but cant defend iran or even tehran . we both knows that this was all for show . There is a reason why PAF deployed 20+ planes along with AWACs around iran.
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You claim their airforce was gone. I counter claimed that it is still present. Iran has based their tactics to use them sparingly which if you actually bothered to read up, you would understand why. Whether they are right or wrong, is another discussion altogether.

As i said before the best iran could do is bomb oil field in gulf and israel. Thats all .
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if the war intensify & civilian infrastructure start getting hit there would be a shortage of supplies , plus a famine .
atleast do have some realistic approach this war will finish either with Deal or by the destruction of iran .

Iran won't be destroyed whether you agree or not. The only opportunity was the first 2 weeks. The people stand by their government, and that's what matters for their success in the end. They have leverage and time on their side. Trump and Nethanyahu unfortunately do not.