Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Arash]

The United States and possibly the Emirates attacked Bandar Abbas, the Qeshm Island and another place that I don't remember its name yesterday.

Thanks !! I wonder what they seeks there......

 

[Arash]

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A....hole. I've got nothing else to say

 

[hasn2009]

I don't think you, or majority of the people, fully appreciate the might of USA. They're insanely powerful and even the likes of China, with all its economy and military might, is NOTHING in front of USA. Americans don't really fear anyone (except Israel) and could easily take on 75% of the world simultaneously and still emerge victorious.

If USA decides to lighten up Iranian skies (I hope NOT), there is F All China will do, other than to issue a very strongly worded statement. No one in the western world takes China's words seriously.

Let's not talk about the other 2 nuclear 'powers'.

• Yes US is gigantic, but it wasn't able to protect it's bases or allies in the M.E from a sanction stricken country of 50 years.
• US was not able to open Hormuz, Iran badly exposed US's posture in M.E, we can only imagine what China will do.
• Have you seen the numbers on depleting weapon stocks? Have you seen the destruction of THAAD and other radars in M.E?
• And, how many losses did US incur in Iraq/Afghanistan/Vietnam wars? And what goals did they achieve? How was tiny Yemen able to humiliate US+Israel+Gulf?
• Can US economy of $40trillion debt afford another Afghanistan-style forever war on Iran?

 

[Meengla]

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When Max says it then we better pay attention. Yes, very fishy that 'rescue' was. And as I said in last 1-2 days, the Isfahan 'rescue' mission led to the loss many American jets probably due to Iranian air defense systems and probably led to the ceasefire in the second week of April.
Pakistan's retired Air Commodore Khalid Chisti keeps saying he has seen the 'data' from classified sources and he thinks Iranians have at least some deterrent air defense systems which may even hit an F-35. Mr. Chisti is working on a 'paper' and by now may have published that but I am not sure.

 

[Fatman17]

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[Meengla]

Does Iran have the capability to fight a long war against world superpower USA, and Israel, backed by GCC. Iran as a weaker opponent has no choice but to exercise restraint unless they cornered. Those who backed Iran openly such as China Pakistan have encouraged Iran and Usa for a ceasefire, they dont want this war to escalate. How do you want Iran to retaliate, they are unable or unwilling to destroy Usa warships, this means Usa itself is out of range, they can continue bombing iran for months without any losses. Yes Iran will target IsraeI and GCC, they already done this and Usa doesnt care, it doesnt effect them. The only way was to shoot down all coming Usa planes, 50 planes, 10 ships down would have bought Usa on negotiation table.

It seems like Iranians want to fight like Hezbollah, like the Vietnamese, like the Afghan Taliban and Iranians don't want to be subdued like Venezuela or Iraq. I don't know where to put Syria and Libya in that because those two countries were just too fractionalized to be called a 'nation'.
I absolutely don't see any capitulation by Iran short of multiple nukes dropped on Iran or a massive land invasion. Both those options are almost impossible. Hence Iran will win by surviving, however damaged it would be.

 

[Meengla]

its really very expensive and exhausting(fatigue) for the americans to be so far away from their own country/soil and be operating through its navy 10,000kms away from its mainland. Any strong and willed nation can wear them down with time easily.
Those navy sailors will revolt soon if they dont get home, they wont have alot of patience left soon. With most of the bases out of commission in the mideast, american have no choice but to rely on long expensive air and naval operations only and even there they face heavy resistance from their own personnel for an illegal/immoral war on behalf of zionists. Things are not in their favor at all and resuming and restarting the war will end really badly for them.
People need to stop treating america like some God. Theyre ordinary these days

Very good post!
America has lost its ability to launch much of land based attacks on Iran. Americans can't even gather 100,000 soldiers for a land invasion; there would be a revolt if such an attempt is made. The so-called Kurds force have backed out of invading Iran. For the Iraq War (2003) and the Afghan War (2001-2021), there was considerable support available for the American attack and in case of Iraq, land access to attack. In case of Afghanistan, there was not only the American air campaign but also the readily available fighters from the Northern Alliance. None of those factors apply now with the bases destroyed. An only sea-based attack from standoffish projectiles where even the air supremacy is of questionable value is just not going to cut it, on top of this war very unpopular in America.

 

[Raider 21]

another @Raider 21 classic

he's out of control and loves to assert himself in the Iranian section by giving everyone 4 points per infraction, sorry about that

My apologies, I haven't been moderating this thread for 3 weeks.

But yes mentioning things like "Bomb UAE to oblivion" is not acceptable. Make it specific....it would be very wrong to write "Bomb Iran to oblivion" as well. Got a lot of Arab friends there (grew up in that region) and most of my Pakistani relatives live there as well.



Cheers

 

[Desert]

another @Raider 21 classic

he's out of control and loves to assert himself in the Iranian section by giving everyone 4 points per infraction, sorry about that

why sorry ? It's not you ..

 

[Desert]

My apologies, I haven't been moderating this thread for 3 weeks.

But yes mentioning things like "Bomb UAE to oblivion" is not acceptable. Make it specific....it would be very wrong to write "Bomb Iran to oblivion" as well. Got a lot of Arab friends there (grew up in that region) and most of my Pakistani relatives live there as well.

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Cheers

and I will say it again , bomb UAE to oblivion , they are the reason behind every chaos in Egypt , libya , Sudan and other countries.

bomb them to oblivion.

 

[Fatman17]

This Robert Pape guy is a complete doosh. Folks should read the comments from this post it is hilarious.

He's a political scientist at Chicago University. Well respected

 

[ShapurII]

You sometimes have crappy bone head posts like this, and when you get checked, you will respond with "you are a nigerian,so how do you know anything about Iran". Smfh.

You do have a problem with facts. It's not my problem that you are too delusional.

Fact #1: You are a Nigerian.
Fact #2: The ceasefire was only for 14 days.
Fact #3: If you can't count, let me tell you: the ceasefire ended 17 days ago.
Fact #4: The US has imposed a complete blockade on Iran's imports/exports, which is an act of war.
Fact #5: The Emirates and the US bombed Iran's territory without a response.
Fact #6: They have confiscated our tankers and cargoes several times.
Fact #7: The USN is operating very close to our territorial waters now.

So, yeah. Iran is weak and pathetic. It accepted a ceasefire when it shouldn't have, just like the June war. The ceasefire has been violated by the US constantly since then, by confiscating our oil tankers and shooting at our vessels, and even violating our sovereignty, while negotiations are still ongoing and new drafts are being submitted to the US every week.

 

[ShapurII]

Thanks !! I wonder what they seeks there......

The Emirates is looking for some face saving after having Jebel-Ali and Fujairah hit multiple times by Iran.

The US is just looking for imposing its dominance and destroying our economy further to get better terms at the negotiations.

 

[brazensword]

Is that cloud seeding thing a proven fact? If so then it also impacted Pakistan because some areas do not see the seasonal rains like they used to before without fail.

And if it did so, what is preventing them from building same radar/weather stations again?

UAE has been cloud seeding since the 90s. Its a known fact. The radars are a stupid theory. It's just because of cloud seeding. Earth is a closed system. Guess what happens when rain falls where its not meant to.

 

[mangekyo]

UAE has been cloud seeding since the 90s. Its a known fact. The radars are a stupid theory. It's just because of cloud seeding. Earth is a closed system. Guess what happens when rain falls where its not meant to.

CIA experimented with military cloud seeding in the 60s. They discontinued the project, but there’s no way to tell if they continued weather modification later on with improved methods and newer and more advanced classified tech. Maybe the radars aren’t just ordinary radars?