Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Homajon]

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[Hassan Al-Somal]

What the F... a European foreign minister I doing in Iran ???????? They should not even be allowed in the country, even if on a circus tour.

Norway and Spain expressed their opposition to the war against Iran. Spain even went further and refused the US military's planes to use Spanish soil for their operations against Iran. So Europe is not monolith, and there are countries who oppose to the Israeli-centric approach that dominates Washington and other places.

 

[Bratva]

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And how these demands would help Iran avoid a war? USA wont agree to it. So whats the point of insisting on same demands over and over again?

 

[tsunset]

And how these demands would help Iran avoid a war? USA wont agree to it. So whats the point of insisting on same demands over and over again?

And how these demands would help the US avoid a war? Iran wont agree to it. So whats the point of insisting on same demands over and over again?

 

[SaadH]

they may wish to do that, but Pakistan's nukes are able to respond.
And israel has been warned.

Not so easy to go nuke someone these days and not expect the same favor back in return. Pakistan may be a lot of things but its dead serious when it comes to nukes.

Pakistan is nuking no one, not even in its own defense, leave alone Iran's...

 

[lightning f57]

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Has Iran made up their mind that what is important? Well being of their people and their industries or Infrastructure or Uranium/Nuclear installations and proving that you can fight USA?


Pakistan is on a thin ice. Iranians has had already doubted our negotiation efforts. Lindsey graham had a verbal diarrhea today against Pakistan. Either you negotiate directly with America or fight a war to the end. No point in dragging the negotiations if you don't want to agree to American conditions. You are bringing bad repute to other nations efforts of peace mediationa as well.

Do you even know what the US conditions are?

You seem to be ignoring the fact US and Israel started the war and they did not "defeat" Iran, to the contrary they are isolated internationally and domestically feeling the heat.

Why should Iran succumb to their demands when it did nothing to warrant aggression against it. Both US and Israel have done 10x more harm to Iran even before the war.

 

[Bratva]

And how these demands would help the US avoid a war? Iran wont agree to it. So whats the point of insisting on same demands over and over again?

Do you even know what the US conditions are?

You seem to be ignoring the fact US and Israel started the war and they did not "defeat" Iran, to the contrary they are isolated internationally and domestically feeling the heat.

Why should Iran succumb to their demands when it did nothing to warrant aggression against it. Both US and Israel have done 10x more harm to Iran even before the war.

I'm not ignoring anything at all. I'm amused at people like you who thinks USA is going to agree to Iran demands. If Iran feels they can fight and withstand USA attacks, dropout from negotiations and be ready to bear the consequences of 2nd round. I hope Irani population can withstand the heat of 2nd round of hostilities in which you know what'd happen eventually.

 

[lightning f57]

So why Iran is negotiating with USA if they feel they can fight and withstand USA attacks. Dropout from negotiations and get ready to bear the consequences of 2nd round. I hope Irani population can withstand the heat of 2nd round of hostilities in which you know what'd happen eventually.

Because Iran is showing the world they are open to reasonable diplomacy not maximalist surrender demands.

Iran is ready for round 2.

 

[Bratva]

Because Iran is showing the world they are open to reasonable diplomacy not maximalist surrender demands.

Iran is ready for round 2.

It is not a moral war. Iran showing to world has no direct bearing on stopping the 2nd round. It is just prolonging the negotiations and putting the mediator in a bind.

Can Iran defend their infrastructure/public utilities/economical lifelines in round 2? Tehran was already running dry. What will happen when USA destroy Keraj Dam and let 10 million iranian without water?

 

[sutton9999]

FPV probably is what gives Iran confidence.
Land invasion is not an option under FPV warfare.

Much of Iran has barely any trees, no place to hide other than caves.

 

[SaadH]

Israel has a fan club here. they have an official Hasbara team working diligently.

Amongst Pakistanis, f@ujeets are the biggest Israel groupies and have been issuing fatwas of the benefits of cucking up to Israel since Busharraf days....

 

[tsunset]

FPV probably is what gives Iran confidence.
Land invasion is not an option under FPV warfare.

Much of Iran has barely any trees, no place to hide other than caves.

FPVs can enter caves also

 

[lightning f57]

It is not a moral war. Iran showing to world has no direct bearing on stopping the 2nd round. It is just prolonging the negotiations and putting the mediator in a bind.

Can Iran defend their infrastructure/public utilities/economical lifelines in round 2? Tehran was already running dry. What will happen when USA destroy Keraj Dam and let 10 million iranian without water?

We are looking at a MAD scenario unfortunately if the US escalates, Gulf countries will bare the brunt specifically UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait.

For Iran its existential and they need to establish credible deterrence so unless trump backs off war seems inevitable.

 

[Bratva]

We are looking at a MAD scenario unfortunately if the US escalates, Gulf countries will bare the brunt specifically UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait.

For Iran its existential and they need to establish credible deterrence so unless trump backs off war seems inevitable.

Saudi and Qatar are the redlines and Pakistan would defend them against Irani attacks. It is crystal clear now.

What is the point of maintaining a deterrence when your population is going to be without electricity, water and food and no money to earn? If Iran can't defend its infrastructure, what's the point of that credible deterrence? which is going to be death of them. Won't Millions of Iranians turn against their own government and then what happens?

 

[lightning f57]

Saudi and Qatar are the redlines and Pakistan would defend them against Irani attacks. It is crystal clear now.

What is the point of maintaining a deterrence when your population is going to be without electricity, water and food and no money to earn? If Iran can't defend its infrastructure, that credible deterrence is going to be death of them. Millions of Iranians would turn against their own government and then what happens?

They can't defend against US israel attacks and dont want to be at their mercy either. So agreeing to trumps maximalist demands will eventually lead to the fragmentation of Iran they know thats the zionists plan and trump has 3 years to fulfil it

So Iran has to play hard ball.

There seems to be some kind of diplomacy at play with Qatar, SA, I feel Bahrain, Kuwait and UAE will feel the heat if war restarts.