Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

PK781 said:
they may wish to do that, but Pakistan's nukes are able to respond.
And israel has been warned.

Not so easy to go nuke someone these days and not expect the same favor back in return. Pakistan may be a lot of things but its dead serious when it comes to nukes.
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Pakistan is nuking no one, not even in its own defense, leave alone Iran's...
 
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Bratva said:


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Has Iran made up their mind that what is important? Well being of their people and their industries or Infrastructure or Uranium/Nuclear installations and proving that you can fight USA?


Pakistan is on a thin ice. Iranians has had already doubted our negotiation efforts. Lindsey graham had a verbal diarrhea today against Pakistan. Either you negotiate directly with America or fight a war to the end. No point in dragging the negotiations if you don't want to agree to American conditions. You are bringing bad repute to other nations efforts of peace mediationa as well.
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Do you even know what the US conditions are?

You seem to be ignoring the fact US and Israel started the war and they did not "defeat" Iran, to the contrary they are isolated internationally and domestically feeling the heat.

Why should Iran succumb to their demands when it did nothing to warrant aggression against it. Both US and Israel have done 10x more harm to Iran even before the war.
 
tsunset said:
And how these demands would help the US avoid a war? Iran wont agree to it. So whats the point of insisting on same demands over and over again?
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lightning f57 said:
Do you even know what the US conditions are?

You seem to be ignoring the fact US and Israel started the war and they did not "defeat" Iran, to the contrary they are isolated internationally and domestically feeling the heat.

Why should Iran succumb to their demands when it did nothing to warrant aggression against it. Both US and Israel have done 10x more harm to Iran even before the war.
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I'm not ignoring anything at all. I'm amused at people like you who thinks USA is going to agree to Iran demands. If Iran feels they can fight and withstand USA attacks, dropout from negotiations and be ready to bear the consequences of 2nd round. I hope Irani population can withstand the heat of 2nd round of hostilities in which you know what'd happen eventually.
 
Bratva said:
So why Iran is negotiating with USA if they feel they can fight and withstand USA attacks. Dropout from negotiations and get ready to bear the consequences of 2nd round. I hope Irani population can withstand the heat of 2nd round of hostilities in which you know what'd happen eventually.
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Because Iran is showing the world they are open to reasonable diplomacy not maximalist surrender demands.

Iran is ready for round 2.
 
lightning f57 said:
Because Iran is showing the world they are open to reasonable diplomacy not maximalist surrender demands.

Iran is ready for round 2.
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It is not a moral war. Iran showing to world has no direct bearing on stopping the 2nd round. It is just prolonging the negotiations and putting the mediator in a bind.

Can Iran defend their infrastructure/public utilities/economical lifelines in round 2? Tehran was already running dry. What will happen when USA destroy Keraj Dam and let 10 million iranian without water?
 
FPV probably is what gives Iran confidence.
Land invasion is not an option under FPV warfare.

Much of Iran has barely any trees, no place to hide other than caves.
 
Bratva said:
It is not a moral war. Iran showing to world has no direct bearing on stopping the 2nd round. It is just prolonging the negotiations and putting the mediator in a bind.

Can Iran defend their infrastructure/public utilities/economical lifelines in round 2? Tehran was already running dry. What will happen when USA destroy Keraj Dam and let 10 million iranian without water?
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We are looking at a MAD scenario unfortunately if the US escalates, Gulf countries will bare the brunt specifically UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait.

For Iran its existential and they need to establish credible deterrence so unless trump backs off war seems inevitable.
 
lightning f57 said:
We are looking at a MAD scenario unfortunately if the US escalates, Gulf countries will bare the brunt specifically UAE, Bahrain and Kuwait.

For Iran its existential and they need to establish credible deterrence so unless trump backs off war seems inevitable.
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Saudi and Qatar are the redlines and Pakistan would defend them against Irani attacks. It is crystal clear now.

What is the point of maintaining a deterrence when your population is going to be without electricity, water and food and no money to earn? If Iran can't defend its infrastructure, what's the point of that credible deterrence? which is going to be death of them. Won't Millions of Iranians turn against their own government and then what happens?
 
Bratva said:
Saudi and Qatar are the redlines and Pakistan would defend them against Irani attacks. It is crystal clear now.

What is the point of maintaining a deterrence when your population is going to be without electricity, water and food and no money to earn? If Iran can't defend its infrastructure, that credible deterrence is going to be death of them. Millions of Iranians would turn against their own government and then what happens?
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They can't defend against US israel attacks and dont want to be at their mercy either. So agreeing to trumps maximalist demands will eventually lead to the fragmentation of Iran they know thats the zionists plan and trump has 3 years to fulfil it

So Iran has to play hard ball.

There seems to be some kind of diplomacy at play with Qatar, SA, I feel Bahrain, Kuwait and UAE will feel the heat if war restarts.
 
lightning f57 said:
They can't defend against US israel attacks and dont want to be at their mercy either. So agreeing to trumps maximalist demands will eventually lead to the fragmentation of Iran they know thats the zionists plan and trump has 3 years to fulfil it

So Iran has to play hard ball.

There seems to be some kind of diplomacy at play with Qatar, SA, I feel Bahrain, Kuwait and UAE will feel the heat if war restarts.
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Iran has been playing hard ball since 1 month. Any positive result? Iran society is going to fragment either way. Deal or No Deal. It is upto them which way they want to go. Their infra and economic lifelines intact and Mullah regime collapses because they agreed to demands or their Infra gets destroyed and Mullah regime would collapse either way.

You are talking about if and buts. USA is fedup and can start round 2 any day now. Lindsay Graham is as good of an indicator what USA establishment mood is.
 
Bratva said:
Iran has been playing hard ball since 1 month. Any positive result? Iran society is going to fragment either way. Deal or No Deal. It is upto them which way they want to go. Their infra and economic lifelines intact and Mullah regime collapses because they agreed to demands or their Infra gets destroyed and Mullah regime would collapse either way.

You are talking about if and buts. USA is fedup and can start round 2 any day now. Lindsay Graham is as good of an indicator what USA establishment mood is.
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There is no "Mullah regime" and if you don't like that you can post in the US perspectives thread.
 
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White House staffer says Trump is regretting the decision to go to war with Iran, having assumed being a wartime president would result in the 80%+ approval ratings GWB received. Sending our troops to die & destroying the oil economy for poll numbers. Unbelievable.
 
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