Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Gerald R. Bush and the escort vessel
In the Arabian Sea

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[Master Chief]

Remember, russia has ALWAYS been responsible for the indian military capability and progress.

Then perhaps we should send Russia a thank you card.

 

[Flotilla]

Will all parties sign a ceasefire agreement?

This doesn't make sense. They will not achieve a real ceasefire.

Trump originally intended to compel Iran to yield—agreeing to U.S. terms and signing a ceasefire agreement—before proceeding with his visit to China. He sought to leverage this achievement to exert pressure on China and secure greater concessions.

However, he failed to accomplish this objective. Consequently, his recent visit to China yielded no tangible results.

According to reports from other media outlets (though neither the U.S. nor Chinese government has officially confirmed this), President Xi is scheduled to pay a return visit to the United States this coming September.

If these reports prove accurate, and if Trump remains unable to force Iran into submission prior to President Xi's visit, the Trump administration will completely lose its negotiating leverage in its dealings with President Xi.

Therefore, in my analysis, the Trump administration's pressure campaign against Iran will intensify in the period ahead.

Thank you and Mr MH Yang for sharing your insights about China's point of view of the war.

Whatever I think about China's position on the ongoing war It is just especulative.

But I think whatever US wants to do must be done quick and finish soon.

Midterm elections are day after day closer and any military adventure can be catastrophic for his tenure.

Let me especulate about Trump's real intention. He did a bussiness trip to China but sounded out Xi about his next step in the war. Probably he offered to let it go in Taiwán in exchange Irán.

Something like this made his administration with the East of Ukraine.

 

[Kattarpajit]

they're busy swatting countries around the world like they have been doing since World War 2.

how's that working out for them in hormuz ? they are swatting powerless countries within their own sphere of influence like Venezuela and Cuba, frankly these countries could be trampled by the Pakistani army if they were close to us and we aren't even a superpower. The days of America "swatting" are long gone, it's a multipolar world now, America can't afford Iraq and Afghanistan type adventures anymore

Just because they're doing some mop up in the Americas, doesn't mean they have withdrawn from their hundreds of Lilly Pads all over the planet.

lily pads that were taken out by Iranians in a month and they didn't even fully commit to annihilating them, and didn't even use their top of the line missiles upon them...Now imagine what Chinese hypersonics will do to those lilly pads, I reckon they'll look like the surface of the moon within the starting hours of the conflict with China

When did that happen?

I don't want to insult or offend you but I just can't resist saying, have you been living under a rock ?

 

[Shags101]

Then perhaps we should send Russia a thank you card.

Assuming because all they sell is subpar weapons I mean how china hasn’t overtaken Russia is weapons sales is beyond me be it combat proven or not we have seen how Russian weaponry is laughable for the most part versus western systems hell honestly turkey looks way more legit

 

[Flotilla]

My only plausible defense for Iran is this was a brics summit and India was host so in that context you probably have to be nice and talk about regional connectivity issues

I think you hit the nail on It.
Nice words from a BRICS country (Irán) to another BRICS member (India).

IMO Irán is grabbing more time. The question is for what exactly?, irreparable damage over US Economy?. Nuclear devices?.

 

[Garcia Sea]

No matter how despicable the surprise attacks against Iran may be, the country always agrees to a ceasefire without a fight, so there’s no way the Epstein Alliance will stop its attacks.
This time, too, the Iranian government will likely agree to a humiliating ceasefire exactly when Trump and Netanyahu order it. This will continue until the nation completely collapses. Unless Iran realizes that pacifism is destroying the country, it has no future.

 

[925boy]

I think you hit the nail on It.
Nice words from a BRICS country (Irán) to another BRICS member (India).

IMO Irán is grabbing more time. The question is for what exactly?, irreparable damage over US Economy?. Nuclear devices?.

It hit me recently that Iran's main method for damaging US in this war is ECONOMIC- its America's Achilles heel, but it takes time for the damaging effects to accumulate and cause serious damage, and this is probably why Iran won't open the SOH for at least several more months. US's main way to hit Iran is military,but that will damage Iran but not make iran submit, and it doesn't help that US doesn't have the required military power or /and strategies to subdue Iran completely (initially or for the short term), but the economic damage Iran will force US to absorb will keep increasing over time, so US and its allies are experiencing a lite version(currently) of the frog boiling.. slowly.
In our current world order, economic damage is equivalent to military damage(hence why Russia couldn't and didn't allow itself to take as much economic damage as it was also also taking military damage from its war with Ukraine)

 

[Michael]

Thank you and Mr MH Yang for sharing your insights about China's point of view of the war.

Whatever I think about China's position on the ongoing war It is just especulative.

But I think whatever US wants to do must be done quick and finish soon.

Midterm elections are day after day closer and any military adventure can be catastrophic for his tenure.

Let me especulate about Trump's real intention. He did a bussiness trip to China but sounded out Xi about his next step in the war. Probably he offered to let it go in Taiwán in exchange Irán.

Something like this made his administration with the East of Ukraine.

In the event of a conflict involving Iran, the U.S., and Israel, China would maintain a stance of non-intervention on the military front, while offering support to Iran on the political and diplomatic fronts.

Most importantly, throughout the duration of such a conflict, China would not interrupt its trade relations with Iran. China would continue to purchase Iranian crude oil while simultaneously supplying Iran with substantial quantities of "civilian goods." During this entire period, the Chinese government would not disclose any details regarding China-Iran trade; however, on Chinese social media platforms, numerous private Chinese enterprises would likely be reporting on the situation.

Trump sought to use military force to compel Iran into submission, intending to leverage this outcome as a bargaining chip in negotiations with China. In Chinese parlance, this strategy is known as "杀鸡儆猴 killing the chicken to scare the monkey"—using a lesser target to intimidate a greater one. However, China would not allow him to succeed in this objective.

Simply put: China would not offer excessive support to Iran, but it would absolutely not permit the United States to completely topple the Iranian regime. If the U.S. were to escalate its military operations, China would respond by correspondingly escalating its trade in those aforementioned "civilian goods." As for what, exactly, those "civilian goods" might be—God only knows!

As for the Taiwan issue: I find it difficult to explain that to you in English.

 

[Ali_Baba]

No matter how despicable the surprise attacks against Iran may be, the country always agrees to a ceasefire without a fight, so there’s no way the Epstein Alliance will stop its attacks.
This time, too, the Iranian government will likely agree to a humiliating ceasefire exactly when Trump and Netanyahu order it. This will continue until the nation completely collapses. Unless Iran realizes that pacifism is destroying the country, it has no future.

Remind us all - what is the weather like in Tel Aviv for you right now? How does it look outside ?

 

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[r3alist]

I think you hit the nail on It.
Nice words from a BRICS country (Irán) to another BRICS member (India).

IMO Irán is grabbing more time. The question is for what exactly?, irreparable damage over US Economy?. Nuclear devices?.

The Iranian foreign minister was extremely considered in his words

If I remember correctly he said India has scope to have a more productive impact, the inference is you are under contributing

On historical stuff I believe he said cultural exchange if values rather than cultural ties.... A subtle but significant difference

 

[Meengla]

"If you think they want to kill you it's not unreasonable to think they could lie to you" Kissinger

Ahh, brought back a saying from the 90s of America. I don't remember who said that, maybe some Intel CEO: "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean someone is not out to get you!".
Memories! Hahaha!

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

No matter how despicable the surprise attacks against Iran may be, the country always agrees to a ceasefire without a fight, so there’s no way the Epstein Alliance will stop its attacks.

Iran just had a bruising 40-day war with USA and the Zionist entity and you want preach here Iran "agreed to a ceasefire without a fight"? Please, can you stop insulting people's intelligence here?

This time, too, the Iranian government will likely agree to a humiliating ceasefire exactly when Trump and Netanyahu order it. This will continue until the nation completely collapses. Unless Iran realizes that pacifism is destroying the country, it has no future.

Iran is facing nations with powerful air force, navies, and other means. Therefore, Iranian leaders would do what is good for Iran. FYI, the truces are also good for Iran. It allows them to access missile bases they could not access due to the aerial attacks. It also allows them to reassess their defensive posture and make adjustments. It is also possible they would be receiving supplies.

 

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